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Replying To Commodore: "What specifically makes a person Irish in your opinion?" Leaves a night out without telling anyone jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 20/02/2025 18:17:36 2592149 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "I hope you're a troll." He pretty much confirmed it with his latest post. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3534 - 20/02/2025 18:21:08 2592150 Link
Replying To Commodore: "What specifically makes a person Irish in your opinion?" If you became a citizen of China would that make you Chinese? Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3374 - 20/02/2025 18:30:33 2592152 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "Wait until Trump attempts to introduce his corporate tax reduction plan, which will primarily benefit his billionaire friends. It will add 5 trillion to national debt. You're right, we'll see the landscape in a year, but it is clear to me that Trump wants to depart NATO, befriend Putin at the expense of the liberal, socialist Europeans, and eventually attack China" That would put his best pal Putin in a pickle. He has been cosying up to the Chinese. I think there is some truth in that "golden shower" report. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1409 - 20/02/2025 19:48:13 2592161 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Born in Ireland or having Irish parents… it's quite simple really… Just because someone gets Irish citizenship ( which seems to be hundreds every month for some reason when our own citizens are homeless ) doesn't make them Irish… You never give up where you come from .. let it be your home country or county… unless you're a total nob altogether…!" If someone is born in Australia to Irish parents they are Irish in your eyes so. Would that mean that person kids would be Irish also even without setting foot in the country by your logic jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 20/02/2025 20:19:30 2592166 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=GreenandRed: "link" Exactly my point. None of those 3 have sailed on into the sunset like the lads named at the start of that article. All 3 have spent nearly half their lives here at this stage. And when they came here they weren't coming to fill positions of need. None of those 3 would have made the Irish team, or even maybe the bench, the years they arrived in Ireland. They have become the players they have become in Ireland, they were all far from the finished article when they came here." If you excluded Gibson-Park, Bundee, Lowe and Hansen from the Irish side, and replaced them with lads born and bred in Ireland, you'd have a 'transformed' back division, and in all likelihood not transformed in a way that any of us would wish to see. If Bundee wasn't 'the finished article', he certainly had hugely favourable strength and form attributes that you wouldn't find in your typical young Irish three quarter elites of his age group."]They're bettrr than the Irish players competing for those positions. But how does that, longerm, help the standard of Irish rugby? Plenty of talent coming though academies but some won't get a chance to play for Ireland. It's international rugby, not club rugby. Shouldn't be able to pay for and parachute players into provinces with a view to playing for Ireland in 5 years. They should be ineligible if they've no Irish connection. It'll be a slower process but strive to kmprove the standsrd for Irish rugby with a pathway to the Ireland team only for Irish players. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7763 - 20/02/2025 20:30:03 2592171 Link
Replying To jm25: "If someone is born in Australia to Irish parents they are Irish in your eyes so. Would that mean that person kids would be Irish also even without setting foot in the country by your logic" Well they would be a lot more Irish than some of these fakes that's representing the Irish rugby team… not a trace of Irishness in them..! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3481 - 20/02/2025 20:35:38 2592172 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "If you became a citizen of China would that make you Chinese?" It would if you wanted to be, which I presume would be the case if you went to all the trouble to get citizenship. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 20/02/2025 20:36:24 2592173 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "How would a naturalised Irish person be better than someone with an Irish background…? Have a bit of wit and cop yourself on… good lad" I know a few plastic paddies in London that have barely ever set foot in the country, never mind contribute to it socially or economically. Theyd sing up the Ra in a pub in London when they are drunk, but never did anything for the cause either. How are they better than someone living and working here all their adult lives, rearing Irish children, supporting Irish clubs and charities, and eventually feeding the worms here? No wit or cop on in front of your keyboard lad. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 20/02/2025 20:41:53 2592174 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "You agreed with him on the Ukraine issue? Good lad Barney, another cracker of a post. Embarrassing." Not as embarrassing as you pretending you knew about school exemptions because yiu had some mystical non teaching connection. Then hadn't the cojones to accept the facts as presented by me from a Department report. Just last week a Gaelcholáiste was knocked on head because of objections based on tge "diverse community" in school. Trump is correct on Ukraine. As pointe out above there was always going to have to be concessions in Russian ethnic regions Only fanatical Europhiles support it continuing as Ukraine is source of cheap labour, minerals and powers for Commission.. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3421 - 20/02/2025 21:13:44 2592179 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Well they would be a lot more Irish than some of these fakes that's representing the Irish rugby team… not a trace of Irishness in them..!" Why is a plastic Paddy called a plastic paddy so? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 20/02/2025 21:54:32 2592185 Link
Replying To Viking66: "It would if you wanted to be, which I presume would be the case if you went to all the trouble to get citizenship." It wouldn't. You're genetically and culturally different. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3374 - 20/02/2025 22:20:34 2592187 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "If you became a citizen of China would that make you Chinese?" No. My wife is from the Philippines,is an Irish citizen, but is a proud Philippina. Both our girls are Irish, play and love LGFA, but I hope uphold some Philippine values like a good work ethic, respect for others especially their elders and not afraid of a drop of rain! Up to the individual if they consider their nationality is that of their newly adopted country. For me it isn't but each to their own. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7763 - 21/02/2025 01:28:40 2592194 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "It wouldn't. You're genetically and culturally different." Ah ok. Normans were genetically and culturally different. So lads with Norman surnames aren't Irish either? Vikings were culturally and genetically different also. Both came here a long time ago. Are you sure you have no Viking or Norman blood in you? Because they are the dominant DNA in our county town and most of our county. I doubt very much you are a pureblood Celt, but then again they migrated here earlier again. What is the cut off point? How long does a family have to be here before you consider them Irish? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 21/02/2025 07:45:47 2592205 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "No. My wife is from the Philippines,is an Irish citizen, but is a proud Philippina. Both our girls are Irish, play and love LGFA, but I hope uphold some Philippine values like a good work ethic, respect for others especially their elders and not afraid of a drop of rain! Up to the individual if they consider their nationality is that of their newly adopted country. For me it isn't but each to their own." Spot on GreenandRed. I don't really have a strong view on Irishness as I'm not really from anywhere specific. I was born on one continent, grew up on another in 2 different countries but also lived some years in yet another as a child, and my mother was from another continent. I've lived in Ireland since I was 18 though, so I've lived exactly 2/3rds of my life here. Ireland is my home, and I will be buried here. And like yourself all 4 of my lads are Irish, half by blood, but also because they were all born and bred here. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 21/02/2025 07:54:34 2592208 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Why is a plastic Paddy called a plastic paddy so?" I don't know but what gets on my nerves is Irish who come home (especially at Christmas) and do nothing but go on about how great Australia is (or wherever they live) and how **** and depressing Ireland is….youd be there thinking oh * off back so will ya. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11463 - 21/02/2025 08:50:02 2592214 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Ah ok. Normans were genetically and culturally different. So lads with Norman surnames aren't Irish either? Vikings were culturally and genetically different also. Both came here a long time ago. Are you sure you have no Viking or Norman blood in you? Because they are the dominant DNA in our county town and most of our county. I doubt very much you are a pureblood Celt, but then again they migrated here earlier again. What is the cut off point? How long does a family have to be here before you consider them Irish?" This post isn't to insult you. Doyle is very much a Viking name in a Viking town. The only pure Gaelic left if there are any would be confined to Connaught I'd imagine, which ironically has no hurling championship. Culture is an evolving thing. My wife, an o Connor, very often reminds me of my Norse origins from a millennium ago. Truthfully I don't know where the cut off is, but in respect of Norman and Viking genetics, it is far enough back that they're completely consumed by the developing Irish culture, which included religion, games, rituals, foods, language etc. We're in a totally different era now where the world is getting smaller and smaller. I don't know the answer to this, but my point is that an identity is more than a piece of paper. A big part of what I term Irishness includes connection to the land and generational trauma associated with centuries of oppression. I would wager there are many of those 5000 New citizens that have no concept of this. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3374 - 21/02/2025 08:59:24 2592216 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "No. My wife is from the Philippines,is an Irish citizen, but is a proud Philippina. Both our girls are Irish, play and love LGFA, but I hope uphold some Philippine values like a good work ethic, respect for others especially their elders and not afraid of a drop of rain! Up to the individual if they consider their nationality is that of their newly adopted country. For me it isn't but each to their own." Funny enough I know quite a lot of people in the parish from the Philippines and they assimilate incredibly well. I think that's because of shared religion and pretty humble values. They're far more positive than we are though. There's a girl hurling under 8 with us who's parents both work in the hospital and she's an animal. Easily top 3 in her group. Her parents wince every time she's near the ball but the wholesale family are there every Sunday morning which is lovely to see. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3374 - 21/02/2025 09:35:30 2592220 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I don't know but what gets on my nerves is Irish who come home (especially at Christmas) and do nothing but go on about how great Australia is (or wherever they live) and how **** and depressing Ireland is….youd be there thinking oh * off back so will ya." Seems to be a pattern now amongst some 20 somethings these days especially in Dublin I think, expecting they'll be able to or should be able to buy a house at 23 or 24, not willing to house share and save like demons for 5-10 years here in order to get a deposit like a lot of the rest of us did. Happy enough to do it in Australia or Canada though. Then they'll spend all their time in Irish pubs over there in their free time and not get involved in local culture at all But some of our main stream media love these stories. And the cycle continues. boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 125 - 21/02/2025 09:42:20 2592221 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Why is a plastic Paddy called a plastic paddy so?" Just a silly term used by the uneducated…! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3481 - 21/02/2025 09:54:58 2592226 Link