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Replying To KillingFields:  "Go on name names of players who were capped ahead of all these better players. It isnt the national anthem for many players/fans and who cares about a bit of music before a game. Its pageantry nothing more.
Irelands call is ***** but who cares."
Are you actually saying a national identity or culture isn't important?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3374 - 20/02/2025 11:16:58    2592049

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Go on name names of players who were capped ahead of all these better players. It isnt the national anthem for many players/fans and who cares about a bit of music before a game. Its pageantry nothing more.
Irelands call is ***** but who cares."
It is xxxx for sure.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 20/02/2025 11:31:23    2592053

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Rashida is certainly Irish and nobody could question that but rugby has a tendency to chase non Irish players and cap them ahead of some of the home grown players who may be just as good if not better.. Most of the back room staff are non Irish and they won't even play our National Anthem before away games where it's needed most… just belt out that ridiculous Irelands Call instead….."
I think Irelands call was more to appease Ulster players from a particular background. Ironically most of them don't sing that either!

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1115 - 20/02/2025 11:32:00    2592054

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Not entirely comfortable with project players etc myself. Nothing personal to the players in question, I don't begrudge them, but would prefer in an ideal world to have a team of players raised here. Odd that some posters seem to believe Ireland are unique in having foreign players when it has very clearly been widely exploited by every 6N team. France and England having a massively wider playing pool yet still capping multiple non-natives while often sneering at others for the same

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12252 - 20/02/2025 11:48:54    2592056

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "link"
Exactly my point. None of those 3 have sailed on into the sunset like the lads named at the start of that article. All 3 have spent nearly half their lives here at this stage.
And when they came here they weren't coming to fill positions of need. None of those 3 would have made the Irish team, or even maybe the bench, the years they arrived in Ireland.
They have become the players they have become in Ireland, they were all far from the finished article when they came here.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 20/02/2025 11:51:35    2592059

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "I think Irelands call was more to appease Ulster players from a particular background. Ironically most of them don't sing that either!"
No. It's terrible.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14782 - 20/02/2025 11:52:29    2592060

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "link"
Exactly my point. None of those 3 have sailed on into the sunset like the lads named at the start of that article. All 3 have spent nearly half their lives here at this stage.
And when they came here they weren't coming to fill positions of need. None of those 3 would have made the Irish team, or even maybe the bench, the years they arrived in Ireland.
They have become the players they have become in Ireland, they were all far from the finished article when they came here."
You're having a laugh.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7763 - 20/02/2025 12:27:02    2592067

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Thankfully I don't live up your end where contrary opinions might trigger a visit from " socialist republicans." or RUC Special Branch, To force me to "admit" to dissent.

I am not a Trump supporter but I do agree with him on some things - Ukraine, NGOs, immigration controls. I do not support him on Gaza.

As I said here during election his only virtue was that he was not Biden and the destructive Democrats. I have no posts not posted due to "pro Trump" content, as I think moderators would confirm."
So just to be clear you have absolutely zero evidence of pro trump posts been blocked you are just speculating

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 20/02/2025 12:46:21    2592071

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Ireland's Call is wretched, a true reflection of the rugby team

boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 125 - 20/02/2025 12:49:58    2592074

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "There's a bit of contention over this kind of thing. What does it mean to be Irish?
Is there a difference between ethnic Irish and Irish citizenship? There is. Does it matter that much? Not really.
Take chin as an example. His father is from Malaysia but his education, friends, clubs, life is no different than any other Wexford lad."
I agree totally. If this line of thinking were to have prevailed back in the day in our "national" games - and I use that term advisedly - would the O'Hailpíns have been allowed play for. Cork?. In my opinion, it's a kind of mischievous thread at best. If people have strong views on the subject, they may just suck it up as it won't change anytime soon.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1409 - 20/02/2025 12:57:42    2592075

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "There's a bit of contention over this kind of thing. What does it mean to be Irish?
Is there a difference between ethnic Irish and Irish citizenship? There is. Does it matter that much? Not really.
Take chin as an example. His father is from Malaysia but his education, friends, clubs, life is no different than any other Wexford lad."
I agree totally. If this line of thinking were to have prevailed back in the day in our "national" games - and I use that term advisedly - would the O'Hailpíns have been allowed play for. Cork?. In my opinion, it's a kind of mischievous thread at best. If people have strong views on the subject, they may just suck it up as it won't change anytime soon.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1409 - 20/02/2025 12:58:09    2592076

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "link"
Exactly my point. None of those 3 have sailed on into the sunset like the lads named at the start of that article. All 3 have spent nearly half their lives here at this stage.
And when they came here they weren't coming to fill positions of need. None of those 3 would have made the Irish team, or even maybe the bench, the years they arrived in Ireland.
They have become the players they have become in Ireland, they were all far from the finished article when they came here."
If you excluded Gibson-Park, Bundee, Lowe and Hansen from the Irish side, and replaced them with lads born and bred in Ireland, you'd have a 'transformed' back division, and in all likelihood not transformed in a way that any of us would wish to see.

If Bundee wasn't 'the finished article', he certainly had hugely favourable strength and form attributes that you wouldn't find in your typical young Irish three quarter elites of his age group.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3949 - 20/02/2025 13:06:42    2592078

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Go on name names of players who were capped ahead of all these better players. It isnt the national anthem for many players/fans and who cares about a bit of music before a game. Its pageantry nothing more.
Irelands call is ***** but who cares."
If it's not the National Anthem for many players or fans then it just proves my point that their not really Irish… All in all it's just a rugby thing which is why most people won't loose too much sleep any time Ireland don't win as opposed to other sports.. Most people don't care that much about rugby… it's an elitist sport every where it's played

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3481 - 20/02/2025 13:14:30    2592080

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Are you actually saying a national identity or culture isn't important?"
Im saying the focus on it is irrelevant and people use it to weaponise arguments unnecessarily. Do playing of anthems affect games? No they dont affect actual results.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3721 - 20/02/2025 13:15:41    2592081

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "link"
Exactly my point. None of those 3 have sailed on into the sunset like the lads named at the start of that article. All 3 have spent nearly half their lives here at this stage.
And when they came here they weren't coming to fill positions of need. None of those 3 would have made the Irish team, or even maybe the bench, the years they arrived in Ireland.
They have become the players they have become in Ireland, they were all far from the finished article when they came here."
If you excluded Gibson-Park, Bundee, Lowe and Hansen from the Irish side, and replaced them with lads born and bred in Ireland, you'd have a 'transformed' back division, and in all likelihood not transformed in a way that any of us would wish to see.

If Bundee wasn't 'the finished article', he certainly had hugely favourable strength and form attributes that you wouldn't find in your typical young Irish three quarter elites of his age group."]Getting into the nitty gritty of it but if you also removed their equivalents from other nations teams I reckon we'd all be in a remarkably similar position to be honest

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12252 - 20/02/2025 14:02:46    2592092

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I agree totally. If this line of thinking were to have prevailed back in the day in our "national" games - and I use that term advisedly - would the O'Hailpíns have been allowed play for. Cork?. In my opinion, it's a kind of mischievous thread at best. If people have strong views on the subject, they may just suck it up as it won't change anytime soon."
You do realise that their father was a Fermanagh man.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 362 - 20/02/2025 14:17:27    2592095

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Im saying the focus on it is irrelevant and people use it to weaponise arguments unnecessarily. Do playing of anthems affect games? No they dont affect actual results."
I appreciate that. I know you're a rugby fan but you must acknowledge there are elements of the rugby following that are totally indifferent to Irishness to put it mildly.

In the same way that I am admittedly a hurling snob with all sorts of notions about legacy and tradition.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3374 - 20/02/2025 14:36:05    2592101

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Replying To Breffni40:  "
Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "link"
Exactly my point. None of those 3 have sailed on into the sunset like the lads named at the start of that article. All 3 have spent nearly half their lives here at this stage.
And when they came here they weren't coming to fill positions of need. None of those 3 would have made the Irish team, or even maybe the bench, the years they arrived in Ireland.
They have become the players they have become in Ireland, they were all far from the finished article when they came here."
If you excluded Gibson-Park, Bundee, Lowe and Hansen from the Irish side, and replaced them with lads born and bred in Ireland, you'd have a 'transformed' back division, and in all likelihood not transformed in a way that any of us would wish to see.

If Bundee wasn't 'the finished article', he certainly had hugely favourable strength and form attributes that you wouldn't find in your typical young Irish three quarter elites of his age group."]Getting into the nitty gritty of it but if you also removed their equivalents from other nations teams I reckon we'd all be in a remarkably similar position to be honest"]Wales call up another kiwi and a lad from Nottingham for Saturday

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 20/02/2025 14:49:18    2592102

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I agree totally. If this line of thinking were to have prevailed back in the day in our "national" games - and I use that term advisedly - would the O'Hailpíns have been allowed play for. Cork?. In my opinion, it's a kind of mischievous thread at best. If people have strong views on the subject, they may just suck it up as it won't change anytime soon."
Lots of people with one Irish parent played.

Dé Valera himself was Irish by virtue of that. Bundee is not Irish by same token.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3421 - 20/02/2025 15:28:57    2592112

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "You do realise that their father was a Fermanagh man."
Father from Fermanagh, mother from Fiji, neither a hurling stronghold

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3374 - 20/02/2025 15:36:50    2592114

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