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Replying To updwell: "He has no time for Starmer either, how will they get on." This is the kind of nonsense I am on about we have no clue what sort of relationship these people have. Can you elaborate how things will get bad for Gaza/palestine have you been blind to the free rein that Isreal have had for last year. It was under Biden watch that putin began his invasion of Ukraine too. I don't like trump but deriding the people who voted as stupid is wrong and part of problem. perhaps listening to their POV will help rather than causing the division to grow and allow the real agitators get their way. Also are you suggesting it would have been smart to elect Harris or retain Biden? jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1283 - 06/11/2024 17:40:37 2578646 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Go on the Trump ….. It's an awful pity we don't have a political leader here that would put there own country first instead of the snowflakes we currently have…" Trump puts himself first. You should thankful with what you have got in Ireland and now keep fingers crossed that your wealth doesn't take a bit hit in the next four years Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3485 - 06/11/2024 18:01:44 2578652 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "I don't think Trump will see out his term A man that wouldn't disclose his medical records He's not far off 80, I don't think he's a healthy man Obviously unwell looking, struggling to walk at times Aging can and does, really speed up very suddenly, with all he's been through in this campaign, and more pressure to follow, his last presidency saw him under constant duress. At his age, I can see him in a very poor state of health in the not so distant future, It's why Vance, a loud and obvious enemy of Trump before he could get use out of him, has strategically attached himself to Trump at his advanced age." If biden survived trump could run again in 3024..... Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3131 - 06/11/2024 18:36:26 2578658 Link
Replying To Drax_the_destroyer: "Trump back in confirms America is very much stupid is as stupid does. I'd fear what this re-election means for Ireland. He's big friends with Putin, Netanyahu so not good news for Ukraine and palestine. As for the Democratic Party absolutely stupid thinking another woman would beat Trump and Harris only given 4 months of campaign when Trump has been campaigning for 4 years." She was in the White House for about 4 years not 4 months. She stood for WIDE OPEN BORDERS and MEN IN WOMENS SPORTS, etc. No mystery why that lost. She had the CELEBRITY VOTE but not regular tax paying Americans. The US is over $35 TRILLION in debt yet we are funding Wars for OTHER COUNTRIES BORDERS while the US Southern border has been abused for years. Is it any wonder why Trump/Vance/RFK etc won? Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2257 - 06/11/2024 19:13:30 2578665 Link
Replying To jm25: "This is the kind of nonsense I am on about we have no clue what sort of relationship these people have. Can you elaborate how things will get bad for Gaza/palestine have you been blind to the free rein that Isreal have had for last year. It was under Biden watch that putin began his invasion of Ukraine too. I don't like trump but deriding the people who voted as stupid is wrong and part of problem. perhaps listening to their POV will help rather than causing the division to grow and allow the real agitators get their way. Also are you suggesting it would have been smart to elect Harris or retain Biden?" Many of the Trump voters are uneducated in comparison to Harris voters but they're not stupid. Democrats ran another poor candidate against him. Many Democrats voters are, allegedly educated and 'liberal' in comparison to working class Republican voters. It's, generally, easier to be liberal when you've a few quid. Democrats didn't seem to portray Harris in a hugely positive light, explain what she would do to improve America. Reacting to Trumps antics, past and present, many of them staged, seemed to be their tactic, same as in Trump's previous campaigns. They even brought out those good Obama folks out to bash Trump, again! I thought Harris was an infinitely better candidate than Hilary Clinton and should have been their Number 1 pick for all their campaign. They should have left Mayo for Sam as far away from a Presidential race as it was possible. I think most of their campaign, with less Harris positivity and too much reaction to Trump, gave him even more publicity and made them look weak. Same as 2016. You'd think they'd have learned from theur mistakes? For me, they've highlighted the difference between uneducated and stupid. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7642 - 06/11/2024 19:46:07 2578669 Link
With the English and Americans changing their governments,is there any possibility of it happening here??a lot of change in other European countries to.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2373 - 06/11/2024 20:07:53 2578673 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "She was in the White House for about 4 years not 4 months. She stood for WIDE OPEN BORDERS and MEN IN WOMENS SPORTS, etc. No mystery why that lost. She had the CELEBRITY VOTE but not regular tax paying Americans. The US is over $35 TRILLION in debt yet we are funding Wars for OTHER COUNTRIES BORDERS while the US Southern border has been abused for years. Is it any wonder why Trump/Vance/RFK etc won?" Hilarious mention the trillions of debt. The Donald will make sure that keeps going up. It skyrocketed under him last time but i am sure you knew that. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8143 - 06/11/2024 21:54:04 2578680 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "Trump puts himself first. You should thankful with what you have got in Ireland and now keep fingers crossed that your wealth doesn't take a bit hit in the next four years" What you don't have can't take a hit… and Ireland really suffered the last time he was elected.. yeh..? ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3008 - 06/11/2024 22:24:49 2578682 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Many of the Trump voters are uneducated in comparison to Harris voters but they're not stupid. Democrats ran another poor candidate against him. Many Democrats voters are, allegedly educated and 'liberal' in comparison to working class Republican voters. It's, generally, easier to be liberal when you've a few quid. Democrats didn't seem to portray Harris in a hugely positive light, explain what she would do to improve America. Reacting to Trumps antics, past and present, many of them staged, seemed to be their tactic, same as in Trump's previous campaigns. They even brought out those good Obama folks out to bash Trump, again! I thought Harris was an infinitely better candidate than Hilary Clinton and should have been their Number 1 pick for all their campaign. They should have left Mayo for Sam as far away from a Presidential race as it was possible. I think most of their campaign, with less Harris positivity and too much reaction to Trump, gave him even more publicity and made them look weak. Same as 2016. You'd think they'd have learned from theur mistakes? For me, they've highlighted the difference between uneducated and stupid." So the working class Republicans are uneducated !!! Ffs cop on nails (Galway) - Posts: 22 - 06/11/2024 22:56:24 2578687 Link
Replying To CTGAA10: "With the English and Americans changing their governments,is there any possibility of it happening here??a lot of change in other European countries to.." Change to? SF/Lab/PBP/Soc Dem/Greens/Lefty Indos? Unlikely to get any more than 60 seats between them on a good day! Even if they did get the magic 89 how long would it last? 3 months? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1944 - 06/11/2024 22:59:05 2578688 Link
Republicans won the following President Senate House - not all votes counted so may change. Popular vote - Dems always hang their hat's on the "popular vote", Trump lost the popular vote by 7 million in 2020, Trump is winning the popular by 5 million in 2024 Trump gained with the following groups Female voters +2 Male voters +3 Non college educated voters +6 Hispanic voters +6 Black voters +7 Young voters +10 These are the facts The Democrat party thinks if the roll out and tell the public that the opposition is wrong without actually having policies to run that the public will vote for them. Well who are the uneducated now !!!!!! nails (Galway) - Posts: 22 - 06/11/2024 23:18:02 2578693 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "She was in the White House for about 4 years not 4 months. She stood for WIDE OPEN BORDERS and MEN IN WOMENS SPORTS, etc. No mystery why that lost. She had the CELEBRITY VOTE but not regular tax paying Americans. The US is over $35 TRILLION in debt yet we are funding Wars for OTHER COUNTRIES BORDERS while the US Southern border has been abused for years. Is it any wonder why Trump/Vance/RFK etc won?" The debt was due to the terrible 4 years under Trump and embarrassing effort at running the show during covid. In most other countries Trump would not be allowed to run again never mind get voted in again. Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 237 - 06/11/2024 23:33:52 2578694 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "What you don't have can't take a hit… and Ireland really suffered the last time he was elected.. yeh..?" What you don't have? many Americans companies currently in Ireland. Didn't suffer the last time as house and Senate didn't allow it, different story now with full power for Trump. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3485 - 06/11/2024 23:42:35 2578696 Link
Replying To nails: "So the working class Republicans are uneducated !!! Ffs cop on" Apologies. Good spot. Should have said they're uneducated in comparison to the 'liberal' middle class, many of whom vote for the Democrats. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7642 - 07/11/2024 00:11:29 2578697 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "What you don't have can't take a hit… and Ireland really suffered the last time he was elected.. yeh..?" Tech and Pharma multinationals abandoned everything and went back to the US. They didn't want to make a fuss about it so they kept it quiet like. Them stories you hear about pharma companies, Pfizer, Amgen, MSD, Boston Scientific etc, expanding in Ireland is fake news. Though it's not the greatest strategy for Ireland's future to be too reliant on foreign companies. In a way we were governed by the UK, then governed ourselves, but, arguably, in 2024 we are governed by Brussels and US multinationals. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7642 - 07/11/2024 00:22:29 2578698 Link
Replying To Viking66: " Replying To cavanman47: "OK. If we take Median income instead of Average then we have to take median house prices instead of average too. It only works if you go like for like. Median income for a couple works out at 85k plus change. That allows borrowing of 297.5k for a mortgage of 327.25k. That's enough for the median house price in 22 of the 26 counties (data doesn't include the 6 counties). Of course, it's not enough for a house in Dublin - so back to my point: people need to open their mind to the notion of a commute to work. link" Median salary in Ireland is 36k pa. Also you are using an example which isn't typical of the average Irish household. Most families do not have 2 parents working fulltime. And you aren't factoring in childcare costs for those families who are. Finally Median house prices include numerous 1 bedroom apartments which aren't suitable for families in the 1st place." . That's simply not true. It was over 43k in 2023. link cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5181 - 07/11/2024 02:27:42 2578700 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Change to? SF/Lab/PBP/Soc Dem/Greens/Lefty Indos? Unlikely to get any more than 60 seats between them on a good day! Even if they did get the magic 89 how long would it last? 3 months?" So it's a done deal? Hardly a democracy we live in so....... Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 07/11/2024 06:17:59 2578708 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Change to? SF/Lab/PBP/Soc Dem/Greens/Lefty Indos? Unlikely to get any more than 60 seats between them on a good day! Even if they did get the magic 89 how long would it last? 3 months?" Change needed unless you're happy with the deplorable health system, the housing crisis, the level of homelessness especially amongst children, most of our towns and cities no go areas at night, the daily influx of asylum seekers with nowhere to stay, the massive embarrassing overspend on a hospital that nobody will ever be able to get to and not forgetting the ludicrous contracts handed out to buddies to build a little bike shed and a security hut at the Dail… Even 3 months of anything would surely be better than these current muppets….?? ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3008 - 07/11/2024 07:10:17 2578710 Link
Replying To Viking66: "So it's a done deal? Hardly a democracy we live in so......." With FF and FG in bed together now and SF the main opposition party our democracy has been over for quite some time. I just hope the greens get eradicated. We'll have another grand coalition who won't solve any real problems but toss out enough crumbs for people to want more. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3131 - 07/11/2024 08:06:23 2578711 Link
Replying To Viking66: "So it's a done deal? Hardly a democracy we live in so......." All seats are dependent on how people vote. Sin é - democracy. If 60% of seats are filled by Centrists and right of Centre then there's a serious chance they'll form a Coalition. I'd prefer a Centre/leftist Coalition but can't see it based on opinion polls and the Euros/locals. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1944 - 07/11/2024 08:39:06 2578715 Link