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That's incredibly naive thinking.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3667 - 04/10/2024 09:50:53 2573001 Link 0 |
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I agree with you totally but me thinks this might be another example of their kite flying in a pre election budget… talk about bringing in something stupid and then row back and try and curry favour with the electorate…. They really do think ordinary voters will fall for this nonsense….. They are the greatest joke of a government that ever led the country….!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2974 - 04/10/2024 10:21:32 2573006 Link 0 |
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I agree with you totally but me thinks this might be another example of their kite flying in a pre election budget… talk about bringing in something stupid and then row back and try and curry favour with the electorate…. They really do think ordinary voters will fall for this nonsense….. They are the greatest joke of a government that ever led the country….!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2974 - 04/10/2024 10:21:40 2573007 Link 0 |
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How so? The UK has minor influence in this region perhaps, less so since brexit, but nothing in the Middle East, Asia, Africa, South America or indeed North America. In their own heads they think they have a 'special relationship' with the USA, when in reality the USA treats them as the elderly father, listening to them talk and give advice, but not paying heed to it. I'll say again if it wasn't a nuclear power it would have zero influence altogether. eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 04/10/2024 10:44:28 2573010 Link 2 |
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What do you think is behind the most recent election projections? link cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5149 - 04/10/2024 14:38:46 2573050 Link 0 |
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Projecting a 14 seat majority for FF/FG. It's the economy stoopid. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1918 - 04/10/2024 15:53:44 2573063 Link 0 |
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Yeah. . While I don't think they'll quite hit that number, I do think they'll lead the next government. For all the moaning and talks of various crises, people in Ireland, on the whole, don't have it as bad as some would want you to believe. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5149 - 04/10/2024 16:17:01 2573069 Link 0 |
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Hard to see a 14 seat majority for them after giving people back what they've spent in tax. A few tighter votes in some constituencys could turn that. And a few weeks of increased carbon tax will hit their popularity with motorists. Harry has done some good work. More accurate projections than based on opinion polls. link GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7622 - 04/10/2024 16:56:58 2573074 Link 0 |
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Bicycle shed costing €355,000, Security hut costing €1.4 million, Mobil phone pouches € 9 million, not to mention the new children's hospital that may not be finished until late 2025 or early 2026, costs spiraling out of control at 3 billion ish.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 04/10/2024 17:42:56 2573080 Link 0 |
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I think FF/FG would make a better next Gov without the Greens or a few independents helping them so I hope they get that majority, I think SF missed the boat last time and they have fallen away since that. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3001 - 04/10/2024 18:42:17 2573084 Link 0 |
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All the talk about American politics and our own democracy is in big trouble. Instead of a revolving door we now have one super party with two different marketing strategies that can't be challenged. I'll be glad to see the greens go though. I miss a strong labour party. They got the blame for all of endas accounting butchery that got us into this property mess. Imagine sinn Fein managed to win over all the independents, pbp, SD etc. to form a government. The manifesto would become so diluted that the government would collapse in about a month. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3096 - 05/10/2024 07:57:38 2573111 Link 0 |
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But maybe obscene money wouldn't be wasted on bike sheds and security huts and let's not get started on the children's hospital in what's now seen as an embarrassing project by the whole world…. Yes FF/FG are doing a fine job….The Greens are dust…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2974 - 05/10/2024 10:06:34 2573119 Link 0 |
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I think FF/FG would make a better next Gov without the Greens or a few independents helping them so I hope they get that majority, I think SF missed the boat last time and they have fallen away since that."]I don't think ff/fg without greens would be any better at all. Greens will get slaughtered next time but that's always way for ireland with smallest party in a coalition. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3667 - 05/10/2024 12:50:21 2573137 Link 0 |
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They get the blame for it because they sold out their voters and backed it to the hilt. There's a clip, think it's still on YouTube, of Ruari Quinn announcing planned housing legislation in the Dail and Richard Boyd Barrett essentially saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) . . "Party politics aside, please please don't do this. You will railroad the country into a housing crisis" A strong Labour, who stood by their manifesto when elected, would be a great governing party indeed. They've had multiple chances to do so and have failed every single time. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5149 - 05/10/2024 14:05:55 2573142 Link 0 |
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They get the blame for it because they sold out their voters and backed it to the hilt. There's a clip, think it's still on YouTube, of Ruari Quinn announcing planned housing legislation in the Dail and Richard Boyd Barrett essentially saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) . . "Party politics aside, please please don't do this. You will railroad the country into a housing crisis" A strong Labour, who stood by their manifesto when elected, would be a great governing party indeed. They've had multiple chances to do so and have failed every single time."]They were always a minority partner and usually got into Government after FF fkd up the public finances. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1918 - 05/10/2024 15:02:05 2573146 Link 0 |
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They get the blame for it because they sold out their voters and backed it to the hilt. There's a clip, think it's still on YouTube, of Ruari Quinn announcing planned housing legislation in the Dail and Richard Boyd Barrett essentially saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) . . "Party politics aside, please please don't do this. You will railroad the country into a housing crisis" A strong Labour, who stood by their manifesto when elected, would be a great governing party indeed. They've had multiple chances to do so and have failed every single time."]To me the labour party in hind sight were always a party without substance totally undependable, after a number of party leaderships changes at the end of the day nothing has changed. Social Democrats are a career party only with nothing to offer. Both the Labour Party and the Social Democrats lack leadership qualities. Fine gael are not mutch better, the upcoming election will sort all that. The greens are past tense. Carefully picked independanc supporting FF is the way to go. (If possible). If not refer to plan B. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 05/10/2024 16:34:24 2573156 Link 0 |
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I think FF/FG would make a better next Gov without the Greens or a few independents helping them so I hope they get that majority, I think SF missed the boat last time and they have fallen away since that."]I don't think ff/fg without greens would be any better at all. Greens will get slaughtered next time but that's always way for ireland with smallest party in a coalition."]I'd say you're the type who votes for the Greens alright, I hope they never win a seat again. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3001 - 05/10/2024 17:16:29 2573160 Link 0 |
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They get the blame for it because they sold out their voters and backed it to the hilt. There's a clip, think it's still on YouTube, of Ruari Quinn announcing planned housing legislation in the Dail and Richard Boyd Barrett essentially saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) . . "Party politics aside, please please don't do this. You will railroad the country into a housing crisis" A strong Labour, who stood by their manifesto when elected, would be a great governing party indeed. They've had multiple chances to do so and have failed every single time."]To me the labour party in hind sight were always a party without substance totally undependable, after a number of party leaderships changes at the end of the day nothing has changed. Social Democrats are a career party only with nothing to offer. Both the Labour Party and the Social Democrats lack leadership qualities. Fine gael are not mutch better, the upcoming election will sort all that. The greens are past tense. Carefully picked independanc supporting FF is the way to go. (If possible). If not refer to plan B."]. That would be far too many independents to form any kind of stable government tho. Independent Ireland did well in the locals but would they fall into line under a party whip in a Dail coalition? I doubt it. Plan A is FF/ FG (+ others as reqd) Plan B is probably FF/SF but SF aren't presenting themselves as a viable coalition party with their "no-to-everything" approach to opposition. There is such a thing as constructive opposition - see FF during the C+S agreement in the last Dail. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5149 - 05/10/2024 22:02:14 2573199 Link 0 |
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@Doyler what did the greens do on you that you have turned on them, you miss a strong laboru party but a lot of what the greens stand for would be the same as labour.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1899 - 06/10/2024 07:14:53 2573210 Link 0 |
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@Doyler what did the greens do on you that you have turned on them, you miss a strong laboru party but a lot of what the greens stand for would be the same as labour."]Nothing specifically to me. It's the narrative that steers their proposals that bothers me. Outside of Dublin 4 people are too concerned with their next meal to be worried about a bicycle Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3096 - 06/10/2024 14:00:04 2573246 Link 0 |