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Hopefully Israel prevails against Iran and their proxies and Iran can become a democracy free of theocracy in time

eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 02/10/2024 16:14:14    2572808

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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland:  "Hopefully Israel prevails against Iran and their proxies and Iran can become a democracy free of theocracy in time"
That's up to the people of Iran, not some chap sitting in Tel Aviv or Washington. Killing large numbers of Palestinians, Iranians and Lebanese is not going to make their lives better. We do know that....

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3073 - 02/10/2024 16:47:14    2572816

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The conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine are about two different sides of the same coin ie imperialism. Israel is a settler colony racist apartheid state filled with land thieves from Europe/America who have stolen the land from the indigenous Palestinians. Of course the worst land stealing country in Britain (they still retain stolen land in Ireland and elsewhere like Gibraltar) gifted Arab land to the Jews and the Palestinians now stand to get just 22% of their homeland under a two state solution. Not content with stealing most of Palestine Israel is now in the process of stealing the Occupied West Bank by expanding illegal settlements and further isolating and terrorising the Palestinian people. Israel has no right to exist as apartheid South Africa had no right to exist and the illegal regime should be shunned diplomatically. Putin has an irredentist view of Russia history and the idea of creating another Russian Empire. Russia is a threat to Baltic states and the invasion of Ukraine and stealing of Ukrainian territory is wrong and must be condemned. The hypocrisy of the West is shown in the fact that they condemn Putin wholeheartedly with accompanying sanctions for Russia's invasion of Ukraine while supporting Israel a settler colony that has stolen Palestinian land along with parts of Southern Lebanon and the Golan Heights in Syria. A morally consistent position would be opposing all those that steal and occupy land. Imperialism and colonialism are the main cause of strife in the World and also racism were the West place less value on Arab life than a Jewish life and condone the savagery of Israel in Palestine and Lebanon.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 02/10/2024 18:27:16    2572828

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "There is no need to "weaken Iran." Like Iraq, Syria and Libya unless there is internal revolution to overthrow what are undoubtedly vile regimes, the west ought to stay out.

Same applies to Israel. There was a rationale for retaliating against Hamas but they have clearly lost the run of themselves and pushed a totally inept American administration onto a semi war footing.

And in Ukraine, they have decided to basically allow Ukraine the power to initiate a nuclear war if they attack Russia with NATO supplied missiles! A mad war that like all wars will end in a compromise that was available two years ago - allowing the secession of Russian dominated areas.

Instead, they have 100% backed a former comedian whose current role is as a war time leader is leading us all into a complete disaster."
Barney you seem to be quoting from the Trump playbook of giving Putin whatever he wants just to have peace but like Neville Chamberlain and his piece of paper meaning peace in our time it won't satisfy Putin. He has systematically try to retake the old Soviet empire back under Moscow control de-stabilising all the former satellite states. If Trump was in power for the last 4 years Putin wouldn't just be in Kiev by now he'd be in Warsaw or Berlin so we can all thank the 'comedian' as you put it for standing up with his people to this aggression. Putin will not stop himself volunteering, he will have to be stopped.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 839 - 02/10/2024 18:56:27    2572830

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "That's up to the people of Iran, not some chap sitting in Tel Aviv or Washington. Killing large numbers of Palestinians, Iranians and Lebanese is not going to make their lives better. We do know that...."
While agreeing with your sentiment, to say its up to the people of Iran is not true either no more than it is for that the people of North Korea want to starve to death for their beliefs. We have seen how these regimes care for the will of their people. Anyone who thinks that what is happening now in the middle east will bring about democracy in Iran is delusional.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1899 - 02/10/2024 19:36:40    2572832

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "The conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine are about two different sides of the same coin ie imperialism. Israel is a settler colony racist apartheid state filled with land thieves from Europe/America who have stolen the land from the indigenous Palestinians. Of course the worst land stealing country in Britain (they still retain stolen land in Ireland and elsewhere like Gibraltar) gifted Arab land to the Jews and the Palestinians now stand to get just 22% of their homeland under a two state solution. Not content with stealing most of Palestine Israel is now in the process of stealing the Occupied West Bank by expanding illegal settlements and further isolating and terrorising the Palestinian people. Israel has no right to exist as apartheid South Africa had no right to exist and the illegal regime should be shunned diplomatically. Putin has an irredentist view of Russia history and the idea of creating another Russian Empire. Russia is a threat to Baltic states and the invasion of Ukraine and stealing of Ukrainian territory is wrong and must be condemned. The hypocrisy of the West is shown in the fact that they condemn Putin wholeheartedly with accompanying sanctions for Russia's invasion of Ukraine while supporting Israel a settler colony that has stolen Palestinian land along with parts of Southern Lebanon and the Golan Heights in Syria. A morally consistent position would be opposing all those that steal and occupy land. Imperialism and colonialism are the main cause of strife in the World and also racism were the West place less value on Arab life than a Jewish life and condone the savagery of Israel in Palestine and Lebanon."
You will turn anything into an anti British rant won't you.
Your overall point is mainly right but few things let you down. Can't comment fully now as at work and won't have access to computer/phone.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3667 - 03/10/2024 08:35:32    2572855

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "That's up to the people of Iran, not some chap sitting in Tel Aviv or Washington. Killing large numbers of Palestinians, Iranians and Lebanese is not going to make their lives better. We do know that...."
Killing large numbers of Israelis won't make that country disappear either as many in the region and indeed Ireland seem to want happen. Those who chant 'from the river to the sea' etc are calling for such an event to happen.

Without help from other countries Ireland would not have gained independence. It sometimes takes outside intervention to topple a horrid regime like Iran currently has

eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 03/10/2024 09:16:09    2572857

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "The conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine are about two different sides of the same coin ie imperialism. Israel is a settler colony racist apartheid state filled with land thieves from Europe/America who have stolen the land from the indigenous Palestinians. Of course the worst land stealing country in Britain (they still retain stolen land in Ireland and elsewhere like Gibraltar) gifted Arab land to the Jews and the Palestinians now stand to get just 22% of their homeland under a two state solution. Not content with stealing most of Palestine Israel is now in the process of stealing the Occupied West Bank by expanding illegal settlements and further isolating and terrorising the Palestinian people. Israel has no right to exist as apartheid South Africa had no right to exist and the illegal regime should be shunned diplomatically. Putin has an irredentist view of Russia history and the idea of creating another Russian Empire. Russia is a threat to Baltic states and the invasion of Ukraine and stealing of Ukrainian territory is wrong and must be condemned. The hypocrisy of the West is shown in the fact that they condemn Putin wholeheartedly with accompanying sanctions for Russia's invasion of Ukraine while supporting Israel a settler colony that has stolen Palestinian land along with parts of Southern Lebanon and the Golan Heights in Syria. A morally consistent position would be opposing all those that steal and occupy land. Imperialism and colonialism are the main cause of strife in the World and also racism were the West place less value on Arab life than a Jewish life and condone the savagery of Israel in Palestine and Lebanon."
So the only democratically elected government in the region is an 'illegal regime'? You want to dismantle Israel as a country and have a one state solution? That'd work out well, other areas in the region do it so well, like emmm Lebanon for example. That's a country that works well isn't it?

eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 03/10/2024 09:27:49    2572858

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There used be an old rule/ saying - Two things that should never be discussed in pubs are politics and religion - this was because it would invariably lead to a punch up. The same could be said on this forum thread. I have been following some of the topics discussed ( if that is the right term) and must say that the amount of sheer disinformation, badly researched facts, wacky opinions and plain b…s expressed by some is amazing . In fairness, some posters do have a fair grasp of the realities of both The Ukraine and the Middle East and their generational histories but some others are for the birds - and these are just my opinions.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1243 - 03/10/2024 10:14:42    2572867

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Replying To KillingFields:  "You will turn anything into an anti British rant won't you.
Your overall point is mainly right but few things let you down. Can't comment fully now as at work and won't have access to computer/phone."
You don't need to reach far to see the British influence in this one tho. Like India/Pakistan, they meddled where they had no business meddling and left the local populations to suffer for decades (and counting) to serve their own interests.


As for Russia/Ukraine, in the event of a Trump victory next month, Ukraine will be forced to agree to far less favourable terms than those presented to them 2 years ago. Zelensky has stated that he was on the verge of signing that deal until convinced no to, by - guess who - Boris Johnson, the then UK PM.


They, like the US, have their snouts in every place they see an opportunity to exploit and pillage, and no right-thinking Irishman should ever think different.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5149 - 03/10/2024 14:27:37    2572908

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You don't need to reach far to see the British influence in this one tho. Like India/Pakistan, they meddled where they had no business meddling and left the local populations to suffer for decades (and counting) to serve their own interests.


As for Russia/Ukraine, in the event of a Trump victory next month, Ukraine will be forced to agree to far less favourable terms than those presented to them 2 years ago. Zelensky has stated that he was on the verge of signing that deal until convinced no to, by - guess who - Boris Johnson, the then UK PM.


They, like the US, have their snouts in every place they see an opportunity to exploit and pillage, and no right-thinking Irishman should ever think different."
Well said.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 03/10/2024 15:10:42    2572913

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You don't need to reach far to see the British influence in this one tho. Like India/Pakistan, they meddled where they had no business meddling and left the local populations to suffer for decades (and counting) to serve their own interests.


As for Russia/Ukraine, in the event of a Trump victory next month, Ukraine will be forced to agree to far less favourable terms than those presented to them 2 years ago. Zelensky has stated that he was on the verge of signing that deal until convinced no to, by - guess who - Boris Johnson, the then UK PM.


They, like the US, have their snouts in every place they see an opportunity to exploit and pillage, and no right-thinking Irishman should ever think different."
Great post. Spot on.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2076 - 03/10/2024 16:48:10    2572930

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You don't need to reach far to see the British influence in this one tho. Like India/Pakistan, they meddled where they had no business meddling and left the local populations to suffer for decades (and counting) to serve their own interests.


As for Russia/Ukraine, in the event of a Trump victory next month, Ukraine will be forced to agree to far less favourable terms than those presented to them 2 years ago. Zelensky has stated that he was on the verge of signing that deal until convinced no to, by - guess who - Boris Johnson, the then UK PM.


They, like the US, have their snouts in every place they see an opportunity to exploit and pillage, and no right-thinking Irishman should ever think different."
Britain's influence on geopolitics these days thankfully is no greater than Holland or Paraguay. The only thing they have going for them are nuclear weapons which they could never use without Uncle Sam giving the nod

eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 03/10/2024 18:27:33    2572946

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You don't need to reach far to see the British influence in this one tho. Like India/Pakistan, they meddled where they had no business meddling and left the local populations to suffer for decades (and counting) to serve their own interests.


As for Russia/Ukraine, in the event of a Trump victory next month, Ukraine will be forced to agree to far less favourable terms than those presented to them 2 years ago. Zelensky has stated that he was on the verge of signing that deal until convinced no to, by - guess who - Boris Johnson, the then UK PM.


They, like the US, have their snouts in every place they see an opportunity to exploit and pillage, and no right-thinking Irishman should ever think different."
You are right in what you said about the US and UK meddling in countries all over the world but on the other side you have the Russians, Chinese and Iranian stiring things aswell. If Trump does force the Ukrainians to cut a deal do you honestly think the Russians will leave it at that and they will all live together happily ever after? The Russians are already in Georgia, the Baltic countries and in the Balkans, they've been involved in American elections, the Brexiit vote and delivering refugees to Europe's border to unsettle different countries. I'd much rather have the US here involved in Ireland than the Iranians or the Chinese.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 839 - 03/10/2024 18:55:27    2572950

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You don't need to reach far to see the British influence in this one tho. Like India/Pakistan, they meddled where they had no business meddling and left the local populations to suffer for decades (and counting) to serve their own interests.


As for Russia/Ukraine, in the event of a Trump victory next month, Ukraine will be forced to agree to far less favourable terms than those presented to them 2 years ago. Zelensky has stated that he was on the verge of signing that deal until convinced no to, by - guess who - Boris Johnson, the then UK PM.


They, like the US, have their snouts in every place they see an opportunity to exploit and pillage, and no right-thinking Irishman should ever think different."
The UK and us are far from only obes intervening globally. China's influence is outrageous from Pacific to africa to Europe. And they've no business meddling putting it in your words in those areas either. Britain are a central power still in global geopolitics whether posters like it or not or want them to be or not.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3667 - 03/10/2024 19:52:37    2572957

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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland:  "Britain's influence on geopolitics these days thankfully is no greater than Holland or Paraguay. The only thing they have going for them are nuclear weapons which they could never use without Uncle Sam giving the nod"
That's exceptionally naive. They have enormous influence and financial strength all over the world.

Don't forget Canada and Australia are still common wealth. Those are considerable resources in war time.

Their intelligence network would be superior to the US as well.

It almost seems like your world views are entirely derived from Hollywood.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3096 - 03/10/2024 20:54:19    2572963

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Replying To updwell:  "You are right in what you said about the US and UK meddling in countries all over the world but on the other side you have the Russians, Chinese and Iranian stiring things aswell. If Trump does force the Ukrainians to cut a deal do you honestly think the Russians will leave it at that and they will all live together happily ever after? The Russians are already in Georgia, the Baltic countries and in the Balkans, they've been involved in American elections, the Brexiit vote and delivering refugees to Europe's border to unsettle different countries. I'd much rather have the US here involved in Ireland than the Iranians or the Chinese."
Does it not strike you as odd that the EU immediately blocked Russia Today for member states.

There's much more to this story.

The Chinese already hold considerable influence on Ireland.

I do agree with you about Iran though.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3096 - 03/10/2024 20:56:19    2572964

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A €9 million spend on mobile phone pouches for school kids…. Can this dimwit government honestly get any worse…..?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2974 - 03/10/2024 21:38:23    2572969

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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland:  "Britain's influence on geopolitics these days thankfully is no greater than Holland or Paraguay. The only thing they have going for them are nuclear weapons which they could never use without Uncle Sam giving the nod"
North Korea, India, and possibly Russia are not depending on Uncle Sam when to give them the nod.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 03/10/2024 22:05:35    2572974

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "A €9 million spend on mobile phone pouches for school kids…. Can this dimwit government honestly get any worse…..?"
It seems that it's too much to ask parents and teachers in 2024 to ask students to switch off their phones for the school day. Our eldest girl is in third year and they leave their phones in their locker for the day for more than two years. Reducing phone time for children and adults too is no bad thing. But these pouches are ridiculous and a waste of taxpayers money. In their 'giveaway' budget where they think they can recycle taxpayers money to win votes.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7622 - 04/10/2024 09:18:56    2572992

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