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He certainly wasn't unlike Joe Brolly.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3671 - 27/06/2025 13:34:43 2621511 Link 0 |
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You wouldn't consider loosing to New York a low? He should have got the gate after that. It was an all time low (at the time) and the next one was recent. The jury is still out on the current man. However, any man that needs another county level manager to get over the line isn't much of a manager but like fools we agreed to it and footed up the cost of it. It certainly got us far....
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1411 - 27/06/2025 14:06:14 2621520 Link 1 |
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Keep you bloody hands off Andy. Múineachain Abú.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 660 - 27/06/2025 15:12:01 2621544 Link 0 |
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Enda mcginley Tomas ose all managing too
jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1603 - 27/06/2025 15:13:37 2621546 Link 0 |
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Two big jobs coming up for him, his home county and also the Mayo job. Might be hard to keep him!
boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 416 - 27/06/2025 15:21:50 2621551 Link 1 |
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I could probably coach the Monaghan forward and that's not saying much but best of luck to ye.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1411 - 27/06/2025 16:42:40 2621575 Link 0 |
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I'm north of 50 and the Mayo County Board have been interfering in the day to day running of the team for a lot longer than 20 years. I was at the 1981 horror show when it was rumored the Co. Board got involved in player changes. Nothing will change until there is a complete cleanout. one or two changes doesn't work because the rot is still there and destroys the new board members. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 549 - 27/06/2025 18:12:02 2621603 Link 0 |
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Lets look at it factually - on a results based history. 2017 - the last great effort of the team of the 2010's - narrowly lost to Dublin after producing the best ever scoring efficiency rate in an All ireland final, only for Dublin to beat them with an even better rate. 2018 - tamely exited championship in Kildare, look like the end of that team 2019 - Horan returns to bring the old stagers for one last Hurrah, Win the league only to be filleted by Dublin in the All ireland semi. Introduces Fergal Boland, James Carr, Ciaran Treacy and Fionn McDonagh play big roles 2020 - Mayo go into rebuild mode, making the All ireland final in the COVID year with a fairly new team 2021 - THe rebuild continues and Mayo finally top Dublin only to lose a final they should have won - feels like the end but actually should have been the start. Team had the following new players (who hadnt played 2011-2018) Pádraig O'Hora, Michael Plunkett, Oisín Mullin, Matthew Ruane, Bryan Walsh, Tommy Conroy, Ryan O'Donoghue Substitutes: Rory Byrne, Enda Hession, Rory Brickenden, Jordan Flynn, Aidan Orme, James Carr 2022 - Mayo flop against Kerry - a team riddled with injuries all season demonstrating that Horanball is not possible in the split season. New players Eoghan McLaughlin, Paul Towey and Jack Carney added to panel 2023 - McStay arrives with great optimism, a full squad of players (except Lee Keegan and Oisin Mullin) and do so well in the league they can play two separate 15's in the last few matches and still top the table with ease. Win the league but flop against Roscommon a week later. Regroup to beat Kerry well in Killarney (Kerrys first loss in KIllarney for 20 years) only to throw a game away against Cork and end up in a prelim quarter final away to Galway. A rousing win in Salthill follows only to face a rested Dublin a week later in Croke Park and give up in the 2nd half to suffer a 12 point hammering not seen since 2006 and making an all star out of Colm Basquel. 2024 - McStay promises to have learned from the previous year - focuses on winning Connacht only to throw it away in injury time (due to David Gough's self admitted bad refereeing). Regroup for a rattle at Dublin only to draw a match they should have won. A home draw v Derry (who were no longer playing for their manager) produces a terrible performance and lost on penalties after losing a lead in injury time along the way. 2025 - Cillian O'Connor, Padraig O'Hora, James Carr, Aiden Orme, Michael Plunkett and Rory Byrne all "step away" from the panel but don't retire from intercounty football. End up in league final and don't even try a leg. Ongoing trend of losing tight games continues against Galway and Donegal. Another howler of a performance at home to Cavan results in group stage elimination. Mayo score lowest total of 2 pointers in entire season. In 3 years Mayo have gone from one of the most exiting teams to watch to the most boring team in the Sam Maguire this year. They don't concede early soft goals anymore, but don't score very much either. In the last 3 years, they have finished outside the top 2 in the group stages of the all ireland series consistently. Placing them between 9 and 12 in the rankings. This with 16 of the 26 who togged out for the 21 final available (although 5 of the 16 refuse to play for McStay). Based on talent in the county - Mayo are still a top 8 team. Based on performances over 3 years they are not. Indeed, McStay has allowed galway achieve a 4 in a row for the first time in 60 years - something even the worst Mayo teams of the 70's never allowed happen. If you are not getting the performances from the talent in the county, you are underachieving. The alternative is that Horan massively overachieved from 2019 - 2022 and McStay just brought them back to the level John O Mahony got to from 2007-2010. Regardless, we are better trying to find a manager who can overachieve, rather than sticking with one who just makes the average. If your going to die, at least die trying to achieve something extraordinary. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1479 - 27/06/2025 18:37:04 2621607 Link 0 |
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They did well in Year One and also played some decent football. I thought they regressed in Years Two and Three. Some strange tactics and suspect teamwork. Still some good players but I thought as a team should have done better. Still treating narrow defeats as 'should have wons' rather than identifying what went wrong first, then trying to improve on it. We look close to to the worst team in the country at adapting to the new rules, front and back. Hopefully the truth will come out now after rumours about trouble in the camp in past two year or if there was even any trouble at all. No point in having players who play great for clubs, underage for county, but when they get to senior county aren't set up to maximise the strength of the team and be too reliant on the usual men. Not an easy job for the next management setup.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8120 - 27/06/2025 18:52:40 2621617 Link 0 |
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Someone losing to New York had been coming for a while - Lietrim had been a few close calls before that (2003 and 2018). New York gave the Rossies a scare in 2016 and Sligo in 2022, so beating Leitrim in 2023 wasnt such a huge shock. They also gave Laois a good rattle in 2024. I would say not being able to field an adult senior football team is a lower point by a county mile. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1479 - 27/06/2025 19:20:05 2621624 Link 1 |
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I would frame it another way. McStay inherited a squad that had won two of the previous three Connacht championships. Mayo had been in 10 of the previous 12 all Ireland semis. Basically loads of players used to playing at the sharp end of the championship. Yes he lost Mullin and Keegan retired but there was still a very strong panel there with a good age profile. I think you saw glimpses of the quality Mayo have throughout his tenure - vs Kerry/Galway in 23, vs Galway/Dublin in 24, vs Galway/Tyrone/Donegal in 25 - yet it was generally followed by very poor showings the next day out. I would put a lot of that down to management not getting them to perform consistently from week to week. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 476 - 27/06/2025 19:20:33 2621625 Link 0 |