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Lad they have over twice as many underage hurling teams as we have, 654 to 309, so should be doing way better than us. Since 2013 the last time they won a Leinster Senior title we have reached 8 Leinster u20 hurling finals to their 6, winning 3 to their 2. They have reached 3 Leinster Senior finals to our 2, but at least we won one of ours. I wouldn't say we were miles behind them, though our head to head record at Senior is poor for sure. It's as poor as our head to head record against Westmeath since the last year we beat both, back in 2018. And just for reference Westmeath only have 101 youth hurling teams to our 309 and Dublins 654. So it could be said while we are punching above our weight relative to Dublin, Westmeath certainly are. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 12/08/2025 09:02:17 2631290 Link 0 |
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100% agree. Funny thing is I never once mentioned Dublin hurling. Just made fair points about the poor hurling structure in the county and how that translate into the county team. Unfortunately, these lads would rather defend the poor structure and the lack of drive from the county board than call it as it is. Simple as that. Some saying only 3 maybe 4 good teams and numbers etc but that is down to county board to promote and develop. There is plenty of good hurling teams in the county but there is no priority to develop it within the county. Not the clubs fault they are doing their best. Everyone things the county board is great now the appointed a manager within, they had no one else and feared further backlash from last year!!!!!!!
COYBIY (Dublin) - Posts: 5 - 12/08/2025 09:06:57 2631293 Link 0 |
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If you head back out to the main page you will find the Dublin forum and you might find a few fish to bite there
Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 343 - 12/08/2025 13:11:39 2631391 Link 1 |
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Giving credit to the CB for executing one task well and in a timely fashion doesn't mean everyone thinks they are doing an incredible job. You'll find a huge amount of skepticism on these boards in both codes. Particularly as you've alluded to in how the last appointment was handled not to mention fundraising activities. Hurling thrives in a few a few pockets of the county, primarily in the Northern half. CTG you could argue have a wide pick across multiple towns/villages but they're the only strong team out of 4 in the south of the county. Outside of that the rest are 100% football focused. I'd struggle to give the CB a pass on the development of hurling but we have to realise the resources on hand. This is something that has been the case for quite some time. The smaller rural clubs are struggling for numbers. Families are smaller and you won't see teams with a backbone of 6 brothers/cousins. There is less rural housing being built and families are building their lives in urban areas. You can't ignore these facts. Several clubs only field 1 adult team now. Many underage teams are amalgamations to keep the show on the road. The only thing that can work is to double or triple the GDA staff with a sole focus on hurling in schools. Consistently training kids weekly in every single school. This is a 6 figure cost to OPEX which the county currently can't afford. You'd need government grants with Leinster or Croke Park to fund something like this. gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 200 - 12/08/2025 14:18:34 2631419 Link 1 |
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Best of luck to KOB and his team in the year ahead. This is an underwhelming appointment. I would love to Know the KPIs used by our esteemed selection committee. Personally I would have him 3 out of the four names discuss here. Lets face facts outside of Clonkill 0 Results. I genuinely hope we haven't went eyes closed into another similar set up as last year. Loughlenegale (Westmeath) - Posts: 4 - 13/08/2025 09:13:23 2631550 Link 0 |
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Who do you propose is it not better than outsider for westmeath at this stage he not do well westmeath at underage levels before. If not who you think is better who dp you want another outsider that might not be great in some cases Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 907 - 13/08/2025 13:51:38 2631659 Link 0 |
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I cant agree with you on the outside of Clonkill bit.He is still county under 15 manager who have wins over KK,Limerick and Dublin this year.OK its underage but these are almost unique results for Westmeath. Lets wait and see who his full coaching team is before we get into the negatives. I think some of the more experienced players are about to face a far more grueling regime than over the past few years so we might initially see some fall off but we need to improve our level of fitness quickly even to get to a Mcdonagh final. jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1777 - 13/08/2025 17:38:14 2631731 Link 3 |
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Let's have a reality check for a moment. Are we in Division 1? No Are we in the Liam McCarthy? No Have our underage squads threatened to win a minor or u20 leinster c'ship or when was the last time rather? No, not in a long time. Based on those facts, did you think there was going to be a line of elite intercounty managers queueing up outside Cusack Park? Probably not.... We are exactly in the position where KOB is an expected, deserved and welcome appointment. The man is 100% there on merit. He has worked well with underage teams and shown he's as good as any top senior club manager in the last 10 years. You had 4 potentials. The 1st of which would surely be using the job as a placeholder for his own county, like McCabe. Another who looked after a weaker county who were relegated to D4. So it left it between two internal candidates. One who had our most notable underage win in years and managed Longford for three years, making 2 finals. The other who's been involved recently with our intercountry underage setups and had very successful campaigns with Clonkill. So what's underwhelming about picking between those two candidates, and did we miss out on someone better who wasn't in the process? Where Westmeath hurling is currently at all points towards an internal appointment. By god, we have to back our own the whole way, and unless there is some disaster, KOB has to stay for multiple years. The current squad and those transitioning from underage need stability/consistency. I've no bias for KOB over Adrian Moran, I'd be saying the same thing if the appointment went the other way. It's now up to the CB to invest and back their men. Hopefully, players, clubs and fans like yourself will rally behind that too. gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 200 - 14/08/2025 10:35:42 2631799 Link 1 |
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Simple question outside of winning 2 championships with a generational Clonkill team who had dominated the SHC for the previous 15 Years. What has he done. 2024 U20 Display against Dublin was abysmal. Totally outclassed and unfit. Where did Dublin go after? Loughlenegale (Westmeath) - Posts: 4 - 14/08/2025 12:06:37 2631826 Link 1 |
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You keep hinting that we can do better. We had 1 notable underage performance which was years ago. Perhaps you can criticise KOB for the Dublin performance but it's not much different than most years. How exactly can we have expected to appointed someone superior? Where are the alternative candidates? We have someone who's been involved in the county and knows the scene. It's about as good as we can expect. Maybe you should have thrown your own name into the hat. gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 200 - 14/08/2025 12:32:25 2631834 Link 0 |
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How could anyone suggest KOB was ranked third out of those candidates as you did? Leo O' Connor had a better CV but seems likely to manage Offaly next year or possibly Limerick in 2-3 years. Therefore would have been a short term appt. KOB certainly well ahead of other two men
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2324 - 14/08/2025 13:50:42 2631858 Link 1 |
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So we all agree he was not #1 Now analytically answer my question without emotion or waffle. Loughlenegale (Westmeath) - Posts: 4 - 14/08/2025 16:10:07 2631906 Link 0 |
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I have no idea who next Kilkenny manager will be, I doubt you do either. Henry, David Heraty, Eddie B all contenders. The committee rightly had a priority to appoint a manager for the next three years, that was what emerged from delegates at meetings, it was regarded as crucial for development. Was Kevin the best candidate therefore? Yes. There are many factors governing choosing someone in any role. For you to suggest that Kevin was ranked behind one of the other candidates was wide of the mark. A manager with two senior titles in the county versus???? Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2324 - 14/08/2025 16:37:44 2631919 Link 2 |