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Are you sure? Before Turlough took over, we finished 2nd last in Division 4 in 2013 (2 wins. 5 losses) and last in 2014 (1 win.1 draw, 5 losses). In the 2014 championship Meath beat us by 7-13 to 0-6 and Clare walloped us by 21 points (in Dr Cullen). Even the first year of Turlough Laois stuffed us by 17 points in Leinster before Longford hammered us 2-15 to 1-8. Results have been poor in recent years, but (except for Wexford last year) they have been nowhere as bad as back then. We actually beat Longford last summer, and drew with Laois. We finished 4th in Division 4 this year. Those supposedly quality players of the 2010s didn't show much sparkle until Poacher arrived in town. Bar a couple of decent Leinster first round showings under Luke Dempsey. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 812 - 03/04/2025 14:48:43 2600369 Link 0 |
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It was Summer 2023 we beat Longford, although Longford could be the new Waterford by looks of it
Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 169 - 03/04/2025 16:27:19 2600389 Link 0 |
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#CARPS. You seem to be a reasonable and honest poster that can come up with honest answers to awkward questions, so I have one for you and I would appreciate if you could answer my question, it being - How many times during the past 45 years have Carlow senior footballers earned promoted from Div.4 ? Thanks in advance. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3149 - 03/04/2025 16:31:06 2600392 Link 0 |
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Kildare showed well against us in u 20 last night in St Conleths. Rally the big difference was the speed of their football. Our attacking was slow and ponderous and we often went backwards to retain the ball. Kikdare moved at considerable pace and had plenty of options when a player advanced. Kildare were excellent at creating space in front of goal and tapping the ball.over the bar. They did this very often and showed that they have practiced this a lot. Carlow fought valiantly and kept going till the end. Our football style as a whole needa to change. Cross field punch passes are fine at club level but they just so not cut it at inter county.. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1863 - 03/04/2025 17:06:28 2600400 Link 0 |
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They needed poacher to give them the extra edge, agreed. They were competitive in privincial championship and qualifiers and were promoted i. League. Put in a decent showing in divisuin three. Can you name five players of the quality of shane redmond, brendan murphy, sean gannon, paul broderick and jordan morrissey on current team?........ Choo choo and crowley only links to poachers time
Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 516 - 03/04/2025 17:53:01 2600410 Link 0 |
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Why are you trolling?
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 812 - 03/04/2025 21:09:25 2600433 Link 0 |
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I would say that Mikey Bambrick, Ross Dunphy and Conor Doyle are as good as any of those you've mentioned. Furthermore, I think there is perhaps a better balance to the squad now. We were very short of forwards in the Poacher era - instead pushing midfielders and even backs into the half forwards - and reliant on Broderick and Foley for scores. There was one particular forward who started pretty much every game and wasn't up to the standard. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 812 - 03/04/2025 21:15:36 2600434 Link 0 |
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Yes, sorry, you're right--and we also beat Wicklow and gave Limerick a decent game. It's worth remembering too that the defeats to Wicklow and Fermanagh last year were very narrow. They were Division Three sides. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 812 - 03/04/2025 21:18:01 2600435 Link 0 |
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Ciaran Moran, Mikey Bambrick, Conor Doyle, Ross Dunphy, Shane Clarke and Jamie Clarke all played in the Turlo era
Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 169 - 03/04/2025 21:59:38 2600438 Link 0 |
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Yes i missed ciaran moran, the rest did nt play much under poacher as far as i know
Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 516 - 03/04/2025 22:30:45 2600443 Link 0 |
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Limerick hammered us
Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 516 - 03/04/2025 22:32:16 2600444 Link 0 |
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Would nt agree bout those pkayers being better........ It was totally different style poacher was all about size and organisation, this teams big assett is pace....... Agree that some players got a free pass......... Strangely we had two forwards who converted to backs in that team morrissey and moran........i agree we are starting to show attacking threat with this team but i worry for rest of team
Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 516 - 03/04/2025 22:37:23 2600445 Link 0 |
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I think my post was somewhat misunderstood. Firstly, Darragh Foley was one of Carlows greatest ever and was an unbelievable servant. WAS being the key word here so please do not put words in my mouth. Secondly, I said 'SOME' meaning not all but if you would like me to point out the SOME, I am referring to I will, although I think it is quite clear that SOME are not up to it. I would rather not name names though as I have huge admiration and respect for these guys who put in huge effort and commitment. My point is and was that I think we now have a manager who knows lads more in depth and their abilities. He will entice players onto the team who have opted out because he is a winner who guys respect and that goes along way. Diarmuid Walshe, Josh Moore, Daragh O Brien, Jamie Clarke, Jordan Morrissey, Craig Kearney, Chris Blake are just a few names that will be more likely to play now than if prior managers had stayed. Revisit this post in a few months and see if this is the case. To finish, these junior and intermediate guys I am referring to is not to have a go at these clubs or their levels - it happens that I find the weakest guys who are out of their depth are from these clubs at this level, there is also one I can think of from a senior club who is just not an inter county footballer and would struggle to make some of the better senior club teams. So, to be more inclusive I will say SOME deadwood from junior, inter and senior clubs. I am a big fan of carlow in both codes and I prefer to be positive rather than negative about our county. The positive I meant is that Joe Murphy will entice the best players who are not playing to play, as a result some of the weaker guys will have to be moved on its as simple as that - if the word deadwood offended people I do apologize however not everyone can be on the panel and it is as simple as that. FearCeatharlach (Carlow) - Posts: 18 - 03/04/2025 22:49:57 2600447 Link 0 |
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Trolling is not my style, it is regrettable that you put me in that frame, it is worth remembering when we are dealing with anonymity no one is in a position to point an accusing finger at another poster. So, out of curtesy I'll fill you in briefly, some time I started to do a project (quiet lengthy) for my own benefit on the fortunes / misfortunes of Carlow football etc, I found it tedious and time consuming so I thought I would look for a bit of help, in hindsight I probably made a mistake with that. However, I'm now glad to say I'm almost there thanks to Google. The tedious bit was finding out low long Carlow is in div.4 without getting promoted. I found it staggering the amount of times Carlow has got promoted in the past 40 years and I'm not altogether finished. The next bit was to find out how many managers Carlow senior footballers have had in that same length of time, staggering again. Add to that their standings in the league table, scores for and against and players that dropped out year / year etc. Over that time. Separately, I have one additional segment to complete before adding it to the project, that may take up to and including this current championship year. Take care. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3149 - 04/04/2025 08:49:41 2600467 Link 2 |
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AFAIK all managers operate an open door, all clubs are free to nominate players to county panels, or players can approach the management team if they feel they have something to offer. We could all put together a 'Fantasy Starting XV', but for various reasons lads wont or cant commit in a given year, so we need to work with what is available - in summary the best 30 or so players who make themselves available in any given period. However, there are other guys who do put themselves forward, maybe some good, other less so, from a range of clubs, but they at least they do. We are all aware of in the past certainly the various 'heros', probable starters, who sat out county teams because it lacked credibility etc. I will never criticize or sneer any player who makes the commitment irrespective of ability. Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 573 - 04/04/2025 10:35:50 2600486 Link 0 |
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Beat us 1-19 to 0-14. We beat Longford and Wicklow in the group, then New York in the prel quarters, lost in the quarter to Antrim by 1-19 to 1-15 so close enough. Antrim lost their semi to Meath by 2. That was a decent enough TC campaign. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1525 - 04/04/2025 10:35:53 2600487 Link 0 |
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"The tedious bit was finding out low long Carlow is in div.4 without getting promoted." Jeez that wouldn't be hard to find. Promoted three times in the last 45 years. Twice in the mid 80's and then recently under Turlo. Remember though that during that time sometimes the league was just randomly drawn i.e. divisions weren't done on merit like they are now and you could end up with anybody so no county ever got promoted that way and then there was a revamp to 3 divisions, 1, 2 and 3 south and 3 North but we never got up, then it changed again to just two Divisions, 1 and 2 which were divided into A and B so for Carlow to get into the top 16 (Div 1) would have been a challenge but we nearly did it once when collapsed on the last day v Wexford after a great campaign under Cyril Hughes when a draw would have put us up but Wexford hammered us which was a huge blow as they didn't have anything to play for I think complacency caught Carlow that day. So while we might not have got promoted often, at the same time we weren't always only playing Div 4/bottom 8 standard teams so you not always comparing like with like. One year we were in the same division as Mayo and Cork and we played both a couple of months after they had both played in all Ireland semi finals so a bit different to what we face now in the league. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1525 - 04/04/2025 10:53:23 2600495 Link 0 |
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How was that tedious? Carlow have only been promoted twice to my knowledge. Although Cyril Hughes team of early 00's came mightily close to going up to the old Div 1, & had they been in what is now Div 4, would have been easily promoted
Smokeless Red (Carlow) - Posts: 30 - 04/04/2025 10:58:05 2600498 Link 0 |
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Yes, that was a good campgain. Getting to croker would be good
Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 516 - 04/04/2025 11:33:11 2600504 Link 1 |
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Three times. 1983 and 1986 under Vinny Harvey and in 2018 under Turlough. Cyril's team was in 1999, I think. That was a strong panel which got absolutely messed around with the four red cards against Westmeath. After that, the county board wasted a decade with outside managers before Luke Dempsey improved things a bit. It's worth nothing that in most of the period since 1960-odd, the league wasn't split into four simple divisions. We had various formats, like 2A/2B or even evenly matched groups. So some of the time Carlow would have shown Division Two or Three form, but it wouldn't translate easily to the current format. I remember one year in the sixties we were in with Kerry, Cork, Kildare and Wexford (all very strong teams then) and I think we came 2nd or 3rd. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 812 - 04/04/2025 12:28:52 2600512 Link 0 |