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Replying To SouthOfTheGap:  "It comes down what peoples interpretation of the ball being in play.

Is the ball in play once the referee blows his whistle or indicates that the ball is in play? Or does he have to wait for the ball to be physically played.

For example, if the freetaker takes too long, the referee throws the ball up. So yes, in that instance the ball is in play.

I don't know the right answer, I'm open to opinions."
Think it's when the ball has physically moved that "in play" becomes a factor. So in this case it was still in the Dungloe player's hands. That's my interpretation anyway, but I'm open to correction.

Lord help us if these new rules all get brought in. This weekend's trial games will be very interesting.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9518 - 16/10/2024 14:19:13    2575300

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Replying To greenfan:  "What was wrong with the penalty call? Did u see what happened ?"
A lot of people on about the ball not being in play when the incident happened. What's your opinion on that.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2563 - 16/10/2024 14:47:16    2575309

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Interesting one with the penalty decision, if the ball was in play or not, I cant see anything in the rules that would cover it.
I found an article from 2014 where similar happened -

"Coldrick is one of the most respected referees in Gaelic football but his final decision, to cancel a sideline kick for Tyrone and replace it with a free much closer to goal for an off-the-ball foul on Sean Cavanagh, had many prominent experts scratching their heads yesterday and reaching for their rule-books.

Referees chief Pat McEnaney admitted last night that they are "seeking clarification" on the decision.

"There is nothing in the rulebook that covers that situation," he said.

"There's nothing in the rules that says you cannot award a free in that instance but we are seeking clarification on it from the Standing Committee on Playing Rules," he explained"

I dont know if they did get clarification or not, but cant see anything about it in the GAA rules.

Tribes88 (Galway) - Posts: 17 - 16/10/2024 15:15:06    2575316

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Replying To rorysboys:  "A lot of people on about the ball not being in play when the incident happened. What's your opinion on that."
I don't think the ball has to be in play. If a defender is holding a forward, he's potentially preventing him from getting into a scoring position or moving to receive the ball when it's kicked

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 577 - 16/10/2024 19:18:35    2575372

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I personally don't think it was a penalty regardless of the ball in play or not. The Dungloe player was being cute trying to win it and it worked. Eunans then showed there class and im glad they did as it wouldn't have been a nice way for it to end if Dungloe for example got a point and eunans didn't reply after the penalty.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 496 - 16/10/2024 20:47:36    2575386

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Replying To Tribes88:  "Interesting one with the penalty decision, if the ball was in play or not, I cant see anything in the rules that would cover it.
I found an article from 2014 where similar happened -

"Coldrick is one of the most respected referees in Gaelic football but his final decision, to cancel a sideline kick for Tyrone and replace it with a free much closer to goal for an off-the-ball foul on Sean Cavanagh, had many prominent experts scratching their heads yesterday and reaching for their rule-books.

Referees chief Pat McEnaney admitted last night that they are "seeking clarification" on the decision.

"There is nothing in the rulebook that covers that situation," he said.

"There's nothing in the rules that says you cannot award a free in that instance but we are seeking clarification on it from the Standing Committee on Playing Rules," he explained"

I dont know if they did get clarification or not, but cant see anything about it in the GAA rules."
I don't think anyone knows the right answer. My gut feeling is that it should've been a free from the 13m line.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 703 - 16/10/2024 20:58:59    2575390

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "You can't give a a free or penalty or free when the ball is not in play though.

Joke of a decision and as the Eunans camp have said it needs to be called out."
Which rule states that?

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 437 - 16/10/2024 21:16:33    2575396

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Regardless of what the rule book says I think it's fair enough to say it was a pretty rash call to make at that point in a county final. I'm sure there were similar instances of pulling and dragging across the hour before that, which weren't picked up on.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9518 - 17/10/2024 09:29:41    2575425

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Are Derry about to descend into fiasco like we did in 2023 I wonder? Ever since RG departed things haven't looked right. Initially it appeared that Mickey Harte had them going up to another level after their 2024 NFL win over Dublin. But things went very pear shaped after that as we all know. The Glen lads look like they're aiming for another big push with the club so it could be the case that Derry will be playing catch up if they don't get a new management team in place fairly soon?"
Derry's intensity levels definitely dropped after they won the National League title, it was almost as if beating Dublin in that league final in a packed Croke Park mentally tricked them into thinking they just won the All Ireland and they lost the hunger.

Jim McGuinness exposed them in Ulster, and rather than addressing those tactical gaps, Mickey Harte seemed to take exception over being told what to do and persisted with the keeper outfield and they got destroyed by Armagh afterwards. But in truth Derry weren't playing with the same intensity levels they had in the National league.

They have amazing depth of talent, real All Ireland contenders, I'm surprised managers aren't lined down the street to takeover this team.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1201 - 17/10/2024 09:55:34    2575432

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Replying To Commodore:  "Derry's intensity levels definitely dropped after they won the National League title, it was almost as if beating Dublin in that league final in a packed Croke Park mentally tricked them into thinking they just won the All Ireland and they lost the hunger.

Jim McGuinness exposed them in Ulster, and rather than addressing those tactical gaps, Mickey Harte seemed to take exception over being told what to do and persisted with the keeper outfield and they got destroyed by Armagh afterwards. But in truth Derry weren't playing with the same intensity levels they had in the National league.

They have amazing depth of talent, real All Ireland contenders, I'm surprised managers aren't lined down the street to takeover this team."
For sure. The ingredients are there. They just need a strong leader to drive them on. But we've seen this in the past in Derry. Loads of talent, consistent underage success, a strong vibrant club scene, but for one reason or another can't get their ducks in a row, or sing from the same hymn sheet.

Not having a pop at Derry either, we were in similar disarray not too long ago ourselves. But we can't rest on our laurels either just because we had a decent 2024. Does anyone here know what the status of the Donegal GAA Academy is now?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9518 - 17/10/2024 12:16:32    2575449

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "For sure. The ingredients are there. They just need a strong leader to drive them on. But we've seen this in the past in Derry. Loads of talent, consistent underage success, a strong vibrant club scene, but for one reason or another can't get their ducks in a row, or sing from the same hymn sheet.

Not having a pop at Derry either, we were in similar disarray not too long ago ourselves. But we can't rest on our laurels either just because we had a decent 2024. Does anyone here know what the status of the Donegal GAA Academy is now?"
Re: Status of Donegal GAA Academy right now.....he is still managing Kilcoo for now :)

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1201 - 18/10/2024 07:37:36    2575563

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Replying To Commodore:  "Re: Status of Donegal GAA Academy right now.....he is still managing Kilcoo for now :)"
And Barry Ward, last years Minor manager has stood down.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 703 - 18/10/2024 10:13:06    2575590

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I must admit when I watched the teams in the parade I thought it was Eunans' title to lose. Just thought that they had too much star quality for Dungloe to handle. But by God they were made to work for it. Dungloe's defending and intensity all over the pitch was superb. The one thing lacking maybe was their ability to sufficiently punish Eunans when they turned over possession.

The penalty was a controversial call. I don't like calling out referees because they have a difficult job, but even before he threw in the ball yesterday he seemed fussy. Credit to Eunans, they could have lost the heads after it. But instead they quickly regrouped and reeled off three points to win it. It will be interesting to see how they go in Ulster now. I wish them well.

Just an aside - Conor Moore is frightening to watch when he opens up and takes off. I think he's going to get better and better and should be a key player for Donegal in 2025 and beyond."
Haven't seen him much at club level but Ciaran Moore has been a breath of fresh air at inter county level with his pace and direct running and is well capable of kicking a point.. Galway were alert to his strengths and had him well marshalled during the semi final. A terrific first year for him with a well deserved nomination for young player of the year. Delighted for the O'Donnell brothers, love their competitive attitude, selfless running and appetite for work. They have both bought into what McGuinness wants which reflects well on players and management. Shane has perfected this 'dummy' where he pretends to recycle the ball but drops the shoulder, swerves and is suddenly accelerating in on goal from the left.
Like most neutrals I was hoping that underdogs Dungloe would land their first title in 66 years and shorten the Winter in that part of the Rosses. They proved worthy finalists and can look back at a good year overall. They will regret not taking first half chances and being 3-4 points ahead by half time and also at conceeding a few soft points. This experience should bring them on a lot but there are no guarantees of course. Seems to be relief generally that it was a good competitive final with the outcome not being decided by a 'mysterious penalty'.
Looking forward to seeing this talented St Eunans team in Ulster.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 577 - 18/10/2024 12:27:53    2575628

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What did you all make of the new rules which were trialled at the weekend?
I'm all for tweaking things if it makes the game better.

I like the two point rule for shots outside the 40m arc (would only have this for open play though)
I think 4 points for a goal is too much, leave it at 3.

The 50m penalty for dissent is a bit excessive, maybe 30m would be better?

3 men up is a good one. Will hopefully encourage more erly kick passing inside and man-on-man defending.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9518 - 21/10/2024 11:15:06    2576118

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "What did you all make of the new rules which were trialled at the weekend?
I'm all for tweaking things if it makes the game better.

I like the two point rule for shots outside the 40m arc (would only have this for open play though)
I think 4 points for a goal is too much, leave it at 3.

The 50m penalty for dissent is a bit excessive, maybe 30m would be better?

3 men up is a good one. Will hopefully encourage more erly kick passing inside and man-on-man defending."
I was certainly apprehensive after Friday's games granted I didn't invest fully in watching either of the games. However I got more of an opportunity to watch the game Saturday night and enjoyed what I saw. In terms of the rules I agree with you regarding the 2 points rule (and just for open play), I also like the 3 on 3 aspect, again agree on the dissent especially when it can be manipulated to look that way. I would like the forward mark gone personally. I think the rules will benefit us especially the 2 points outside the 40 metre. However equally David Clifford and Darragh Canavan will be loving the 3 on 3 aspect and 4 points for a goal.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2812 - 21/10/2024 13:09:30    2576152

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "What did you all make of the new rules which were trialled at the weekend?
I'm all for tweaking things if it makes the game better.

I like the two point rule for shots outside the 40m arc (would only have this for open play though)
I think 4 points for a goal is too much, leave it at 3.

The 50m penalty for dissent is a bit excessive, maybe 30m would be better?

3 men up is a good one. Will hopefully encourage more erly kick passing inside and man-on-man defending."
I would agree about the 2 points for shots from play only, we'll likely see teams try to manufacture soft frees around the arc and more goalkeepers being brought up to kick placed balls. I don't see how the 3 players in opposition half could be enforced in club matches, at most league games there aren't linesmen or if there are it's spectators, who aren't going to inform the referee if their team has infringed.

BeardedBorderGael (Donegal) - Posts: 47 - 21/10/2024 13:39:53    2576161

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "What did you all make of the new rules which were trialled at the weekend?
I'm all for tweaking things if it makes the game better.

I like the two point rule for shots outside the 40m arc (would only have this for open play though)
I think 4 points for a goal is too much, leave it at 3.

The 50m penalty for dissent is a bit excessive, maybe 30m would be better?

3 men up is a good one. Will hopefully encourage more erly kick passing inside and man-on-man defending."
Not overly sure off all the rules especially for club football, saying that the ones I think would work is keeping the 3 up and 3 back.

The solo and go will quicken up the game which is a plus.

The scoring rule change is unnecessary especially for club football , Refs have enough on there plate without trying to keep up with that

StandHogan51 (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 21/10/2024 14:32:29    2576176

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "What did you all make of the new rules which were trialled at the weekend?
I'm all for tweaking things if it makes the game better.

I like the two point rule for shots outside the 40m arc (would only have this for open play though)
I think 4 points for a goal is too much, leave it at 3.

The 50m penalty for dissent is a bit excessive, maybe 30m would be better?

3 men up is a good one. Will hopefully encourage more erly kick passing inside and man-on-man defending."
You would probably need to see them in a competitive game before you could make a judgement but even then under any rules the quality of games vary so much from game to game.It will probably take the full league to see.In general though it looks good and it is hard to argue with the proposed changes.I would agree with you about the 4 point goal as a very high percentage of goals are of the lucky variety ,shots for points dropping short,off the post etc which could completely skew the run of the game(How about 4 points for a rasper from outside the large rectangle).The 50M penalty is severe but the thinking is that it will almost completely stamp out the tactical slowing down of play.McGuinness always talked about that tactical fouling preventing a quick counter attack.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 21/10/2024 15:02:45    2576184

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Replying To gunman:  "You would probably need to see them in a competitive game before you could make a judgement but even then under any rules the quality of games vary so much from game to game.It will probably take the full league to see.In general though it looks good and it is hard to argue with the proposed changes.I would agree with you about the 4 point goal as a very high percentage of goals are of the lucky variety ,shots for points dropping short,off the post etc which could completely skew the run of the game(How about 4 points for a rasper from outside the large rectangle).The 50M penalty is severe but the thinking is that it will almost completely stamp out the tactical slowing down of play.McGuinness always talked about that tactical fouling preventing a quick counter attack."
Is the 50m penalty not just for mouthing?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9518 - 21/10/2024 17:17:57    2576226

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "What did you all make of the new rules which were trialled at the weekend?
I'm all for tweaking things if it makes the game better.

I like the two point rule for shots outside the 40m arc (would only have this for open play though)
I think 4 points for a goal is too much, leave it at 3.

The 50m penalty for dissent is a bit excessive, maybe 30m would be better?

3 men up is a good one. Will hopefully encourage more erly kick passing inside and man-on-man defending."
I'd agree with that, I suppose the 50mt thing is too much, 30 mts is enough alright, 4 points for a goal it too much too, bringing the scoring to a 3,2,1 format makes sense. I think they'll keep it at 2 points for any point from outside the arc.
Not passing back to the keeper is great, I think when the thing settles down and we get familiar with it all it will improve the game which is what we all want,
I like the way they will keep at it and make any tweaks necessary as things crop up as we bed in the new rules whichever ones are adopted at congress.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3022 - 21/10/2024 17:35:17    2576234

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