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Replying To jam83: "The danger here now is Gleeson will be known for slow kickouts like 2 years ago and the crowds and referee will be on him and putting pressure on him unnecessarily" Yea the Mayo crowd really got on his case. They annoyed me with their incessant shouts of " How long, how long". Eventually i got fed up and replied "1951....that long"
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Replying To WonTon5: "Fully agree but when everyone is fit i cant see either lad making a 26. It will definitly benefit them being around the likes of Conroy for a season. This current u20 crop is littered with potential future senior players and Costello and Mcglinchy are probably the two important players to Savage and are core from that Minor All Ireland group. Along Jack Lonergan, Sean Dunne, Charlie Cox, Eanna Monaghan, Ross Coen, Vinny Gill, Shane Canavan, Luc O'Connnor. Even with the loss of Farthing and Trayers to other sports, this group has All Ireland potential. After stong seasons from Oranmore, Dunmore McHales, Killannin and Mountbellew in the u19A, it will also be interesting to see who Savage has picked up on and brought in. Not sure if U19 POTY Darragh Clery was part of previous panels underage. Is Ciaran Mulhern still u20? I think there was 7 Claregalway lads in that u17 panel in 2022, there will obviously be a big shift here with the emergence of other clubs in the underage scene." Ah stop, Lonergan, Cox, Monaghan are not even related to county senior footballers. Gill and Coen are probably the only two outside of McGlinchey and Costello. If I remember rightly that Claregalway team with 7 county players could not even win the county title.
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The "1 scoring forward" line that keeps getting repeated is a bit tiring. If it was a championship game tomorrow, both Comer and Finnerty would obviously be starting. Are people trying to say the likes of Finnerty isn't a scoring forward? All he's done in his career at every level is score. There's also McDaid who's essentially a half forward and chips in regularly. One game where COC doesn't score from play is a bit much to be writing him off also. He was motm v Armagh
The second half performance was rubbish, the game just got away from them. That all started with a 3-up infraction that allowed Derry to bring it from 8 to 6, and their momentum and the crowd grew with that. With every kickout going to the middle, the team that wants it more will win more breaks and that was clearly a Derry side at home desperate for points. I wouldn't be overreacting, and it has to be remembered that the first 35 mins was a quality performance. Derry just had the hunger in the second half, Galway didn't
Lastly, 3 things went against them. A Derry point flagged over that was wide. Gleeson getting pinged taking exactly 20 seconds (been verified online) for the kickout. Also, despite possibly being the correct decision, Tierney getting brought down during an easy goal chance and Derry getting no punishment bar a tap over 1 pointer was a big moment and harsh on Galway
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Replying To Tribes88: "Apparently there is no official '20 second rule', at the meeting between the referees and FRC, it was suggested that 20 seconds should be long enough for a kick out, but it was not brought in as a rule, its still left to the discretion of the referee..and from what i heard no guidelines were sent out to the refs.
Gleeson was warned about speeding up the kicouts, rightfully so he has been too slow last few games, and then he got pulled, so it was his own fault." But was it during this meeting last week that the actual punishment for taking too long for a kickout was changed from a hop ball to the concession of a 13m free?
They're going too far with some of the penalties for certain infringements - especially when it is as subjective as this particular "rule".
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Replying To LottoPlus: "Ah stop, Lonergan, Cox, Monaghan are not even related to county senior footballers. Gill and Coen are probably the only two outside of McGlinchey and Costello. If I remember rightly that Claregalway team with 7 county players could not even win the county title." Those lads are all good football players and given a chance to develop will do so.They are still only 19 years of age.God above give them a break.
Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 383 - 17/02/2025 15:39:55
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Replying To Tribes88: "Apparently there is no official '20 second rule', at the meeting between the referees and FRC, it was suggested that 20 seconds should be long enough for a kick out, but it was not brought in as a rule, its still left to the discretion of the referee..and from what i heard no guidelines were sent out to the refs.
Gleeson was warned about speeding up the kicouts, rightfully so he has been too slow last few games, and then he got pulled, so it was his own fault." Not knocking the efforts of all to improve things with rules and tweaks to rules but they made a bit of a mess of the comms on this one. I never saw Peter Canavan as rattled as he was trying to answer the question last night. Canavan is a good guy, he is diplomatic and has integrity. But it was impossible for him to answer the question last night with both honesty and diplomacy so i he muddied about and joanne let him off the hook because he was under pressure. In terms of the time delay, yes something had to be done to speed up but the key is consistency. We dont want to bring in another timer into the equation but it cant be purely subjective on refs behalf. I would suggest the fairest way would be that coming close to the time that the ref thinks is excessive that the ref puts his hand up to indicate this and then if he doesnt kick it straight away (say 5 seconds) then its pulled. Watched the game again and i have to say the ref was very harsh on us in last 10 minutes. Before anyone accuses me of maroon bias i have to say that we got the calls v mayo and armagh but on saturday it was not the case. Besides the 2 technical indescretions that cost us 3 points , there was the point that never was and about 6 marginal calls that went against us in the last 10- the ones that can go either way but normally balance out. I think the ref like all neutrals watching a game where one team has a big lead, got caught up in the euphoria of an exciting comeback.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 969 - 17/02/2025 15:45:53
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looking at the remaining games
Donegal (H) tough one as Donegal look at championship pace already, another draw is possible
Tyrone (H) Tyrone will be fielding their strongest team by then but still a game Galway should win
Dublin (A) beat them in the championship and can do it here again
Kerry (H) hard to know as Galway could have already secured a spot in the final and rest half the team
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Replying To anotheralias: "Not knocking the efforts of all to improve things with rules and tweaks to rules but they made a bit of a mess of the comms on this one. I never saw Peter Canavan as rattled as he was trying to answer the question last night. Canavan is a good guy, he is diplomatic and has integrity. But it was impossible for him to answer the question last night with both honesty and diplomacy so i he muddied about and joanne let him off the hook because he was under pressure. In terms of the time delay, yes something had to be done to speed up but the key is consistency. We dont want to bring in another timer into the equation but it cant be purely subjective on refs behalf. I would suggest the fairest way would be that coming close to the time that the ref thinks is excessive that the ref puts his hand up to indicate this and then if he doesnt kick it straight away (say 5 seconds) then its pulled. Watched the game again and i have to say the ref was very harsh on us in last 10 minutes. Before anyone accuses me of maroon bias i have to say that we got the calls v mayo and armagh but on saturday it was not the case. Besides the 2 technical indescretions that cost us 3 points , there was the point that never was and about 6 marginal calls that went against us in the last 10- the ones that can go either way but normally balance out. I think the ref like all neutrals watching a game where one team has a big lead, got caught up in the euphoria of an exciting comeback." I would disagree we got a very soft free at end where 4 of our lads were slapping at Murray and we got the free.
jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1345 - 17/02/2025 16:10:35
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Replying To anotheralias: "Not knocking the efforts of all to improve things with rules and tweaks to rules but they made a bit of a mess of the comms on this one. I never saw Peter Canavan as rattled as he was trying to answer the question last night. Canavan is a good guy, he is diplomatic and has integrity. But it was impossible for him to answer the question last night with both honesty and diplomacy so i he muddied about and joanne let him off the hook because he was under pressure. In terms of the time delay, yes something had to be done to speed up but the key is consistency. We dont want to bring in another timer into the equation but it cant be purely subjective on refs behalf. I would suggest the fairest way would be that coming close to the time that the ref thinks is excessive that the ref puts his hand up to indicate this and then if he doesnt kick it straight away (say 5 seconds) then its pulled. Watched the game again and i have to say the ref was very harsh on us in last 10 minutes. Before anyone accuses me of maroon bias i have to say that we got the calls v mayo and armagh but on saturday it was not the case. Besides the 2 technical indescretions that cost us 3 points , there was the point that never was and about 6 marginal calls that went against us in the last 10- the ones that can go either way but normally balance out. I think the ref like all neutrals watching a game where one team has a big lead, got caught up in the euphoria of an exciting comeback." I like that. Hand up and you have a short time to kick it.
Gleeson is awful slow to be fair, And he has a habit of doubling back which makes it look worse.
He also has a name for it. He has been punished on countless occasions and I'd say at this stage the refs give him the opposite to the benefit of the doubt.
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Replying To Mayonman: "I like that. Hand up and you have a short time to kick it.
Gleeson is awful slow to be fair, And he has a habit of doubling back which makes it look worse.
He also has a name for it. He has been punished on countless occasions and I'd say at this stage the refs give him the opposite to the benefit of the doubt." Conor Glesson is the least of our worries, very easy to put the blame on him.. like a number of posters have said, our transition needs to be lighthing fast from the half backline to the full forward line.. kick the ball in at pace, heads up football. We need more from Tierney more from o laoi, D'Arcy etc.. one swallow never made a summer.. we are in a good place.
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Replying To Mayonman: "I like that. Hand up and you have a short time to kick it.
Gleeson is awful slow to be fair, And he has a habit of doubling back which makes it look worse.
He also has a name for it. He has been punished on countless occasions and I'd say at this stage the refs give him the opposite to the benefit of the doubt." One swallow never made a summer.. I'll back Conor Glesson
Galway2026 (Galway) - Posts: 4 - 17/02/2025 22:03:02
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Conor Gleeson has the tag of being slow so refs will be watching him, but he is slow and what's worse is everyone knows majority of the time he is going to go long so slowing it down adds nothing really. They were poor on breaks the last evening, there isn't really anyone there that you would think is great and going in and winning breaking ball, maybe Kelly, there is a lot of big lads out around the middle but if they are not catching clean they tend to struggle on breaks.
Hopefully Donegal come full throttle the next evening, cause I think Galway are papering over cracks with the 2 pointers, Donegal will put huge pressure on Gleesons kickouts so I'm hoping that either they either come up with a strategy before then or they get a rude awakening and come up with one after the game.
I worry for Fitzgerald at full back, think he is a weak link. The pace Donegal have will really test a few Galway players, Daly, Darcy, O Laoi, Maher, Conroy, can't fault lads for effort but they will struggle with the pace at which Donegal are playing with at the moment.
Galway defence is still setup to stop goals which has been a success but Donegal don't go for goals and have so many players that can kick point sna 2 pointers so something will have to change defensively.
Conroy looked tired the last day, is there a need for him to be playing every game, I know he the playmaker in the middle and is very important for when they have the ball but similar to the keeper position they need to try other players there incase of injury or something.
Theres talk about Walsh being back to his best, id disagree with that, he is playing similar to last year, does a bit and then dont see him for 15 minutes, he is kicking 2 pointers for fun but only when he wants too. Will want to see alot more from him this weekend especially cause Donegal will try to shut him down so want to see how he reacts, will he stroll about and not get involved or will he bust a gut and show why he one of the best players in the country
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Replying To Tribes88: "Conor Gleeson has the tag of being slow so refs will be watching him, but he is slow and what's worse is everyone knows majority of the time he is going to go long so slowing it down adds nothing really. They were poor on breaks the last evening, there isn't really anyone there that you would think is great and going in and winning breaking ball, maybe Kelly, there is a lot of big lads out around the middle but if they are not catching clean they tend to struggle on breaks.
Hopefully Donegal come full throttle the next evening, cause I think Galway are papering over cracks with the 2 pointers, Donegal will put huge pressure on Gleesons kickouts so I'm hoping that either they either come up with a strategy before then or they get a rude awakening and come up with one after the game.
I worry for Fitzgerald at full back, think he is a weak link. The pace Donegal have will really test a few Galway players, Daly, Darcy, O Laoi, Maher, Conroy, can't fault lads for effort but they will struggle with the pace at which Donegal are playing with at the moment.
Galway defence is still setup to stop goals which has been a success but Donegal don't go for goals and have so many players that can kick point sna 2 pointers so something will have to change defensively.
Conroy looked tired the last day, is there a need for him to be playing every game, I know he the playmaker in the middle and is very important for when they have the ball but similar to the keeper position they need to try other players there incase of injury or something.
Theres talk about Walsh being back to his best, id disagree with that, he is playing similar to last year, does a bit and then dont see him for 15 minutes, he is kicking 2 pointers for fun but only when he wants too. Will want to see alot more from him this weekend especially cause Donegal will try to shut him down so want to see how he reacts, will he stroll about and not get involved or will he bust a gut and show why he one of the best players in the country" To be fair to Walsh it was a good sign - he got a reasonably good ball in early on & got trapped by 3 defenders unlucky not to get anything out of it.
The very next ball he got in attack from Daly, took advantage of the 1 second of cover while Daly crossed in front of him, and immediately kicked the 2 pointer - same with the next one he took baker on first touch, which is a great sign really.
That is the kind of work that we'd want to see from Walsh
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Replying To Tribes88: "Conor Gleeson has the tag of being slow so refs will be watching him, but he is slow and what's worse is everyone knows majority of the time he is going to go long so slowing it down adds nothing really. They were poor on breaks the last evening, there isn't really anyone there that you would think is great and going in and winning breaking ball, maybe Kelly, there is a lot of big lads out around the middle but if they are not catching clean they tend to struggle on breaks.
Hopefully Donegal come full throttle the next evening, cause I think Galway are papering over cracks with the 2 pointers, Donegal will put huge pressure on Gleesons kickouts so I'm hoping that either they either come up with a strategy before then or they get a rude awakening and come up with one after the game.
I worry for Fitzgerald at full back, think he is a weak link. The pace Donegal have will really test a few Galway players, Daly, Darcy, O Laoi, Maher, Conroy, can't fault lads for effort but they will struggle with the pace at which Donegal are playing with at the moment.
Galway defence is still setup to stop goals which has been a success but Donegal don't go for goals and have so many players that can kick point sna 2 pointers so something will have to change defensively.
Conroy looked tired the last day, is there a need for him to be playing every game, I know he the playmaker in the middle and is very important for when they have the ball but similar to the keeper position they need to try other players there incase of injury or something.
Theres talk about Walsh being back to his best, id disagree with that, he is playing similar to last year, does a bit and then dont see him for 15 minutes, he is kicking 2 pointers for fun but only when he wants too. Will want to see alot more from him this weekend especially cause Donegal will try to shut him down so want to see how he reacts, will he stroll about and not get involved or will he bust a gut and show why he one of the best players in the country" Conroy looked tired and poor imo in Sligo last year at the Connacht semi, and blazed on to a POTY season from there. It's hard to see the 'higher octane' elements in the new rules (if there are any?), suiting his age profile this year. In his 36th year, as they say on the death notices.
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Replying To Tribes88: "Conor Gleeson has the tag of being slow so refs will be watching him, but he is slow and what's worse is everyone knows majority of the time he is going to go long so slowing it down adds nothing really. They were poor on breaks the last evening, there isn't really anyone there that you would think is great and going in and winning breaking ball, maybe Kelly, there is a lot of big lads out around the middle but if they are not catching clean they tend to struggle on breaks.
Hopefully Donegal come full throttle the next evening, cause I think Galway are papering over cracks with the 2 pointers, Donegal will put huge pressure on Gleesons kickouts so I'm hoping that either they either come up with a strategy before then or they get a rude awakening and come up with one after the game.
I worry for Fitzgerald at full back, think he is a weak link. The pace Donegal have will really test a few Galway players, Daly, Darcy, O Laoi, Maher, Conroy, can't fault lads for effort but they will struggle with the pace at which Donegal are playing with at the moment.
Galway defence is still setup to stop goals which has been a success but Donegal don't go for goals and have so many players that can kick point sna 2 pointers so something will have to change defensively.
Conroy looked tired the last day, is there a need for him to be playing every game, I know he the playmaker in the middle and is very important for when they have the ball but similar to the keeper position they need to try other players there incase of injury or something.
Theres talk about Walsh being back to his best, id disagree with that, he is playing similar to last year, does a bit and then dont see him for 15 minutes, he is kicking 2 pointers for fun but only when he wants too. Will want to see alot more from him this weekend especially cause Donegal will try to shut him down so want to see how he reacts, will he stroll about and not get involved or will he bust a gut and show why he one of the best players in the country" I know Walsh scored that last free and it was a long way out, but I still don't like seeing him taking the long range ones off his left. I've seen too many over the years drop low and short, or wide. I don't know how we don't have a left footer for them ones.
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Replying To jam83: "I know Walsh scored that last free and it was a long way out, but I still don't like seeing him taking the long range ones off his left. I've seen too many over the years drop low and short, or wide. I don't know how we don't have a left footer for them ones." Because no left footer in the squad would've got within an asses roar of kicking that against the wind from 45m
Tierney is ok at them from the ground but after his injury last year seems to have given that up. He hasn't the range off his hands and was off the field at that point anyway. Finnertys proven time and again that his range is 35m, even without any wind against him
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Does anyone know the issues with Culhane, Hernon & McLaughlin? I believe its all injuries how long are they out for? I envisage Comer appearing fro some minutes in last game or 2.
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The thing with Walsh is, he is move freely now and striking freely. Last year he was dropping short or forcing shots because it was clear he was hampered and did not have his usual range.
Hernon was named last week. Hopefully we will see him for a few minutes this week.
Donegal are flying so it will be good to test ourselves.
O'Laoi has a great engine and great pace. His shooting is terrible and I am not sure how sustainable that is if we want to win an All Ireland.
I still think we are coming to terms with the rules. You need to take on your man up front.
Re Gleeson, i don't see the point of him joining the attack. He is not going to shoot or take on a man. All he does is ship it sideways. Teams know this and do not push up on him hence he doesn't create space.
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Replying To Kew: "Take Shane Walsh and his 2 pointers out of the Galway team and they may have no wins." So? That has basically always been true we haven't won many big games without Shane. Not just this year with 2 pointers.
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