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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me."]It's not a case of being ideological, it's about the misuse of language and hypocritical behaviour especially at HQs level; it's the GAA turning its back on the ethos of the association - its amateur status, with the emphasis on community and volunteerism. Those Galway clubs from whom Cusack learned the rules of hurling in 1883 weren't playing hurling to generate finance or for any monetary gain, they played for the love of the game and with pride in their townland, parish and local community. If that now is too naive and ideological for the GAA and its followers, then they should have the decency to admit that it's no longer an amateur sport and follow the Rugby and Soccer route."]It's all well and good getting misty eyed about the past when teams played for the love of the parish (which 90% of GAA players still do) and the importance of volunteerism (Which still carries the entire association), but you're then on here proposing massive changes to champsionship structure that involve even more games and also a different form of the sport being run, as far as I can make out from your post, simultaneously? where do you think the players and the money is going to come from to do all this if the Gaa doesn't try to generate money to pay for it all?"]Sure the GAA is awash with money - billionaire backing, packed concerts in Croker etc Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 177 - 05/06/2025 11:20:30 2615025 Link 0 |
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The stats don't back that up. Even when Kilkenny would be considered to have had a better team than us, which is most years. In the past 10 years of championship, we've met 12 times. Kilkenny have won 5, Galway have won 4 and there have been 3 draws.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2364 - 05/06/2025 11:24:05 2615027 Link 2 |
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The reality is that with the exception of the game in Nowlan this year, these teams have always been seperated by a score or 2 in recent years. Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 68 - 05/06/2025 11:27:50 2615029 Link 0 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me."]It's not a case of being ideological, it's about the misuse of language and hypocritical behaviour especially at HQs level; it's the GAA turning its back on the ethos of the association - its amateur status, with the emphasis on community and volunteerism. Those Galway clubs from whom Cusack learned the rules of hurling in 1883 weren't playing hurling to generate finance or for any monetary gain, they played for the love of the game and with pride in their townland, parish and local community. If that now is too naive and ideological for the GAA and its followers, then they should have the decency to admit that it's no longer an amateur sport and follow the Rugby and Soccer route."]It's all well and good getting misty eyed about the past when teams played for the love of the parish (which 90% of GAA players still do) and the importance of volunteerism (Which still carries the entire association), but you're then on here proposing massive changes to champsionship structure that involve even more games and also a different form of the sport being run, as far as I can make out from your post, simultaneously? where do you think the players and the money is going to come from to do all this if the Gaa doesn't try to generate money to pay for it all?"]Sure the GAA is awash with money - billionaire backing, packed concerts in Croker etc Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 177 - 05/06/2025 11:44:52 2615034 Link 0 |
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If you want a lesson in hurling, go to Kerry! They're well able to puck goats, not so sure about the sliotar!
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 177 - 05/06/2025 11:57:05 2615040 Link 0 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me."]It's not a case of being ideological, it's about the misuse of language and hypocritical behaviour especially at HQs level; it's the GAA turning its back on the ethos of the association - its amateur status, with the emphasis on community and volunteerism. Those Galway clubs from whom Cusack learned the rules of hurling in 1883 weren't playing hurling to generate finance or for any monetary gain, they played for the love of the game and with pride in their townland, parish and local community. If that now is too naive and ideological for the GAA and its followers, then they should have the decency to admit that it's no longer an amateur sport and follow the Rugby and Soccer route."]It's all well and good getting misty eyed about the past when teams played for the love of the parish (which 90% of GAA players still do) and the importance of volunteerism (Which still carries the entire association), but you're then on here proposing massive changes to champsionship structure that involve even more games and also a different form of the sport being run, as far as I can make out from your post, simultaneously? where do you think the players and the money is going to come from to do all this if the Gaa doesn't try to generate money to pay for it all?"]Sure the GAA is awash with money - billionaire backing, packed concerts in Croker etc"]There's definitely money there although dropping 'Billionaire backing' as if it's some saudi owned soccer club is cheeky. But the money is all accounted for and accounts are published. It's what allows us to have the club and inter county championships at all levels. I went to see my adopted club win an Intermediate Camogie All Ireland in Croke Park a few years ago, do you think the crowd of about 2 or 3 thousand that day paid for the openign of Croke Park for the day? And there's dozens of such finals every year. And millions in club development grants paid out. So can we leave the nonsense about the GAA making millions and the nameless faceless 'People at the top' pocketing half of it on twitter where it belongs. we've gone away from the original argument here which was about the provincial champsionships and their value, I happoen to think Stool Pigeon is correct in saying that after an initial novelty year or 2, open draw games bweteen Cork and Kilkenny or wexford and Clare for example would not generate the interest of the current provincial games, certainly the Munster championship. The truth is it's up to the leinster counties (including ourselves) to improve their product. it's telling that last year when we didn't make it out of leinster was the first Round Robin we ended up with 3 munster teams in the semi finals. Wexford and Dublin are just not seen as legitimte threats to the Musnter teams in the way ourselves (Even now in a bad patch) and KK would be and that drags down the competition Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 68 - 05/06/2025 12:40:18 2615050 Link 0 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me."]It's not a case of being ideological, it's about the misuse of language and hypocritical behaviour especially at HQs level; it's the GAA turning its back on the ethos of the association - its amateur status, with the emphasis on community and volunteerism. Those Galway clubs from whom Cusack learned the rules of hurling in 1883 weren't playing hurling to generate finance or for any monetary gain, they played for the love of the game and with pride in their townland, parish and local community. If that now is too naive and ideological for the GAA and its followers, then they should have the decency to admit that it's no longer an amateur sport and follow the Rugby and Soccer route."]It's all well and good getting misty eyed about the past when teams played for the love of the parish (which 90% of GAA players still do) and the importance of volunteerism (Which still carries the entire association), but you're then on here proposing massive changes to champsionship structure that involve even more games and also a different form of the sport being run, as far as I can make out from your post, simultaneously? where do you think the players and the money is going to come from to do all this if the Gaa doesn't try to generate money to pay for it all?"]Sure the GAA is awash with money - billionaire backing, packed concerts in Croker etc"]Every club and county shares in that money as it is. Who should get less to fund your ideas? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 05/06/2025 13:21:50 2615069 Link 0 |
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Lads, can ye stop quoting the last post? It's a mess and impossible to follow, as well as each response taking up half a page. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2364 - 05/06/2025 13:29:09 2615071 Link 2 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me."]It's not a case of being ideological, it's about the misuse of language and hypocritical behaviour especially at HQs level; it's the GAA turning its back on the ethos of the association - its amateur status, with the emphasis on community and volunteerism. Those Galway clubs from whom Cusack learned the rules of hurling in 1883 weren't playing hurling to generate finance or for any monetary gain, they played for the love of the game and with pride in their townland, parish and local community. If that now is too naive and ideological for the GAA and its followers, then they should have the decency to admit that it's no longer an amateur sport and follow the Rugby and Soccer route."]It's all well and good getting misty eyed about the past when teams played for the love of the parish (which 90% of GAA players still do) and the importance of volunteerism (Which still carries the entire association), but you're then on here proposing massive changes to champsionship structure that involve even more games and also a different form of the sport being run, as far as I can make out from your post, simultaneously? where do you think the players and the money is going to come from to do all this if the Gaa doesn't try to generate money to pay for it all?"]Sure the GAA is awash with money - billionaire backing, packed concerts in Croker etc"]Every club and county shares in that money as it is. Who should get less to fund your ideas?"]To fund my ideas! I don't charge for my ideas! Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 177 - 05/06/2025 13:29:41 2615072 Link 0 |
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But you're the one claiming it's a 'poor reflection' in the first place. Of what, I'm not sure. You can't have it both ways. You want to be critical, then in the next breath you're telling others not to be critical? The reality, as I see it, is that this year's minors won the matches we could and deserved to, and lost the matches we couldn't and didn't deserve to. Players and management gave everything, and were simply beaten by stronger opposition. As you said above, 'that's sport'. So what are you whining about? Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 941 - 05/06/2025 13:40:02 2615078 Link 0 |
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Kilkenny by 3-5 PTS on Sunday. BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 139 - 05/06/2025 13:54:40 2615087 Link 1 |
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What's the point of this interrogation?
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 177 - 05/06/2025 14:00:21 2615089 Link 0 |
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Mr Pigeon and his breadcrumbs
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 541 - 05/06/2025 14:39:58 2615112 Link 0 |
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Galway are the form team 4wins on the bounce, have the best player in Ireland at the moment in C Mannion,they are definitely getting stronger and better after each game and nobody is expecting much from Galway this year. I think we couldn't be in a better position going into the Leinster Final raging underdogs at 3/1!!! I'm saying it now Galway will win Sunday. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2610 - 05/06/2025 15:57:57 2615138 Link 2 |
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Where did u get offered 3/1 im only getting little better than2/1 in paddy powers
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 379 - 05/06/2025 19:32:44 2615195 Link 0 |
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Surprised we're not shorter than 3/1 after beating 4 class teams.
Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 114 - 05/06/2025 22:44:58 2615223 Link 1 |
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21/10 is the best you'll get on the high street, perhaps katser does his gambling elsewhere though
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 941 - 06/06/2025 08:00:08 2615241 Link 0 |
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Galway, Limerick Kildare treble works out about 10/1, I'll lump on and live in hope Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 68 - 06/06/2025 10:02:02 2615257 Link 1 |
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Maybe they give him better odds because they feel guilty about taking so much money off him over the years ;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 06/06/2025 10:21:31 2615265 Link 1 |
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Kilkenny will dispatch of Galway by about 4/5 points on Sunday, the handicap will easily be covered. Gonzalez (Laois) - Posts: 15 - 06/06/2025 10:47:42 2615278 Link 1 |