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Replying To Viking66: "If Ballyhale were superior in 2013 then why didnt they win Leinster in 2013? MLR were the best club side in Leinster the year they won it insofar as they won it. They also beat Portaferry fairly convincingly in the AISF. But what's any of that got to do with the disconnect between club and county success? Which was my original point Pope? An irrelevant fact for you, 2 of the clubs who competed in the 2013 Leinster Championship are in the semi finals this year. One will definitely be in this years final. And they aren't from Kilkenny, Wexford or Dublin." They couldn't win it, because they weren't in it. Clara were KK champions in 2013 and 2015. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3886 - 20/11/2024 13:46:45 2580443 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "They couldn't win it, because they weren't in it. Clara were KK champions in 2013 and 2015." They weren't in it in 2013 because they lost the Kilkenny semifinal to Carrickshock. Clara beat Carrickshock in the final. Clara were then beaten by Oulart, who MLR beat in the Leinster Final. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14008 - 20/11/2024 14:04:38 2580447 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "They couldn't win it, because they weren't in it. Clara were KK champions in 2013 and 2015." St Mullins were Carlow Champions in 2014 and 2015. MLR weren't in Leinster in 2015 either. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14008 - 20/11/2024 14:09:56 2580448 Link
Replying To Viking66: "St Mullins were Carlow Champions in 2014 and 2015. MLR weren't in Leinster in 2015 either." The bottom line is that Ballyhale were a much stiffer test for Portumna in 2010 than MLR were in 2014. Portumna were actually verging on 'washed up' territory by 2014, having emerged in 2003 with their first senior county title. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3886 - 20/11/2024 16:45:46 2580473 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "The bottom line is that Ballyhale were a much stiffer test for Portumna in 2010 than MLR were in 2014. Portumna were actually verging on 'washed up' territory by 2014, having emerged in 2003 with their first senior county title." Is that because Ballyhale are from Kilkenny and MLR are from Carlow? Or is it because you are comparing different years? That year MLR beat a team appearing in their 4th consecutive Leinster Final who beat several Kilkenny teams in that period including Ballyhale and eventually won Leinster 2 years later, then beat a team appearing in their 4th consecutive AI semifinal who only got knocked out the previous year by that years winners St Thomas AET and a replay, and who won the 2012 AI title. Just because they didn't go well in the final against Portumna doesn't make them a poor team. If they were they wouldn't have beaten the teams they beat, who were among the strongest club sides in the country at that time. They might have gone one step further in the years after that, but didn't manage to get out of Carlow. All of which is still irrelevant to my original point. That it doesn't matter what county a club is from. The 2012 champions were from Antrim, another county who have never won a SenIor AI. Offaly sides have reached 5 AI finals winning 2 this millennium, despite their county side playing in the Christy Ring at one point. Antrim sides have also reached 5 deciders winning 1. Tipp sides have only reached one, which they lost. Tipp won 4 AI titles in the same period. Cork clubs only have 1 win this millennium. Limerick sides have only won 1 ever, as have Waterford and Wexford sides. On the flip side Galway clubs have won 9 club AIs this millennium, but only 1 intercounty AI. I'm not sure how many more stats there are to prove to you that club AIs and Intercounty AIs are completely unrelated. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14008 - 20/11/2024 17:32:35 2580484 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Is that because Ballyhale are from Kilkenny and MLR are from Carlow? Or is it because you are comparing different years? That year MLR beat a team appearing in their 4th consecutive Leinster Final who beat several Kilkenny teams in that period including Ballyhale and eventually won Leinster 2 years later, then beat a team appearing in their 4th consecutive AI semifinal who only got knocked out the previous year by that years winners St Thomas AET and a replay, and who won the 2012 AI title. Just because they didn't go well in the final against Portumna doesn't make them a poor team. If they were they wouldn't have beaten the teams they beat, who were among the strongest club sides in the country at that time. They might have gone one step further in the years after that, but didn't manage to get out of Carlow. All of which is still irrelevant to my original point. That it doesn't matter what county a club is from. The 2012 champions were from Antrim, another county who have never won a SenIor AI. Offaly sides have reached 5 AI finals winning 2 this millennium, despite their county side playing in the Christy Ring at one point. Antrim sides have also reached 5 deciders winning 1. Tipp sides have only reached one, which they lost. Tipp won 4 AI titles in the same period. Cork clubs only have 1 win this millennium. Limerick sides have only won 1 ever, as have Waterford and Wexford sides. On the flip side Galway clubs have won 9 club AIs this millennium, but only 1 intercounty AI. I'm not sure how many more stats there are to prove to you that club AIs and Intercounty AIs are completely unrelated." Not COMPLETELY UNRELATED, no. 20 counties of Ireland haven't won the senior hurling all-ireland, and 19 of those haven't won the senior club all-ireland either. Very related in that aspect, obviously. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3886 - 21/11/2024 12:13:19 2580558 Link
Congratulations to TAD beating Tooreen in a tough match to win Connacht. Best of luck going forward. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2269 - 23/11/2024 19:29:22 2580876 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Not COMPLETELY UNRELATED, no. 20 counties of Ireland haven't won the senior hurling all-ireland, and 19 of those haven't won the senior club all-ireland either. Very related in that aspect, obviously." You really are clutching at straws now Pope:-D Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14008 - 23/11/2024 20:34:10 2580897 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "Congratulations to TAD beating Tooreen in a tough match to win Connacht. Best of luck going forward." Hard to know what they are up against in the All Ireland series but they won't meet many more experienced teams. Killeen, Breheny and Maloney all going well. Micheal Power having an outstanding year in the half back line. Great bit of cut to him. We would have won that Leinster U20 this year if himself and Aaron hadn't got injured. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 798 - 24/11/2024 13:02:00 2580976 Link
Loughrea will be happy if they could be guaranteed to play the winner of this Kilcormac Castletown Geoghegan game. Woeful stuff. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 798 - 24/11/2024 13:37:59 2580984 Link
Replying To galway19: "Loughrea will be happy if they could be guaranteed to play the winner of this Kilcormac Castletown Geoghegan game. Woeful stuff." It will more than likely be kilcormac I'd imagine. They've a great chance of winning the AI this year. BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 24/11/2024 18:04:58 2581042 Link
Replying To BigBàsMan: "It will more than likely be kilcormac I'd imagine. They've a great chance of winning the AI this year." Na Fianna might beg to differ. Serious team. Ballygunner will be well primed, and if Sars beat them they will be tough opponents for anyone else. Whoever comes out of Ulster will be hard to beat too. Shaping up to be a great AI club series. No reason any of the teams left in it cant win it. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14008 - 25/11/2024 11:05:54 2581139 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Na Fianna might beg to differ. Serious team. Ballygunner will be well primed, and if Sars beat them they will be tough opponents for anyone else. Whoever comes out of Ulster will be hard to beat too. Shaping up to be a great AI club series. No reason any of the teams left in it cant win it." Sarsfields haven't a hope against Ballygunner. They just need to not get hammered. They are 8/1 in a one off game for a reason. Ballygunner will sail through there and probably beat Slaughtneil. Slaughtneil look very fit but too open at the back. If Loughrea have their heads screwed on id back them to win the semi final on the other side of the draw. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 798 - 25/11/2024 16:01:55 2581197 Link
Replying To galway19: "Sarsfields haven't a hope against Ballygunner. They just need to not get hammered. They are 8/1 in a one off game for a reason. Ballygunner will sail through there and probably beat Slaughtneil. Slaughtneil look very fit but too open at the back. If Loughrea have their heads screwed on id back them to win the semi final on the other side of the draw." Agree it's very hard to see Sars beat Ballygunner. Think Portaferry might beat Slaughtneil, but coming in cold straight into an Ulster final isnt ideal. Ballygunner would be favourites against either for sure. Loughrea might also be a little undercooked compared to KK or NF, challenge games just aren't the same as proper championship ones. Someone is going to have to have everything go right for them to beat Ballygunner I reckon, but that can happen, has happened all but 1 of the last few years. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14008 - 25/11/2024 16:40:39 2581203 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Na Fianna might beg to differ. Serious team. Ballygunner will be well primed, and if Sars beat them they will be tough opponents for anyone else. Whoever comes out of Ulster will be hard to beat too. Shaping up to be a great AI club series. No reason any of the teams left in it cant win it." No doubt about it will be a tough job to get done BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 26/11/2024 09:43:51 2581274 Link
Good audition for a Galway senior jersey for Shane Morgan going against Donal Burke in the all ireland semi final. I'd be surprised if Loughrea don't get through all the same, especially if Jamie is fit to start. Shaughnessy and Byrnes should get plenty of space inside. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 798 - 30/11/2024 21:05:02 2581800 Link
Replying To galway19: "Good audition for a Galway senior jersey for Shane Morgan going against Donal Burke in the all ireland semi final. I'd be surprised if Loughrea don't get through all the same, especially if Jamie is fit to start. Shaughnessy and Byrnes should get plenty of space inside." 1. Burke will hurl the ears off Shane Morgan - Burke is one of the best forwards in Ireland. 2. I just can't see how Loughrea will beat Na Fianna if the county final display is anything to go by. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 823 - 30/11/2024 21:31:12 2581804 Link
Replying To Past hurler: "1. Burke will hurl the ears off Shane Morgan - Burke is one of the best forwards in Ireland. 2. I just can't see how Loughrea will beat Na Fianna if the county final display is anything to go by." Good thing Shane Morgan is an absolute animal like his father. More than capable of marking him. If you thought Loughrea were going to stroll into a county final after losing 6 in the previous 15 yrs and cappy contesting their first ever you don't know much about hurling. It was in essence, a great win for Loughrea. Na Fianna will be tough, obviously. But equally they have to stop the Loughrea forwards. BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 30/11/2024 22:31:27 2581806 Link
Bad an all Loughrea are....if they can't bate a Dublin team well them there is something wrong! Wonder will the game be played half way maybe Tullamore katser (Galway) - Posts: 2481 - 01/12/2024 13:04:59 2581838 Link
Replying To katser: "Bad an all Loughrea are....if they can't bate a Dublin team well them there is something wrong! Wonder will the game be played half way maybe Tullamore" Id imagine so...or portlaois BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 01/12/2024 16:35:57 2581864 Link