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Need to draw a line through it, not right but every manager and pundit is seen as fair game by a sad minority. Seems to have little affect on Mac as he went straight back into management. Sure there are reasons Meath fail to attract top class managers, however, fear of abuse is not one of them.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 14/07/2022 17:03:07 2432110 Link 12 |
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Well said Seadog, no one is downplaying or excusing those that sent abusive messages, letters etc, But as i say i took my lead from the man himself who said he rather talk about those that sent him messages of support. Look at the great Paidi O'Se and what he said about some Kerry supporters and them being like animals. It happens up and down the country, in every sport at every level of every game. As you and the previous poster said there's a myriad of reasons why people might turn down the Meath role, which are well documented and discussed by almost every serious poster on here. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 14/07/2022 17:37:35 2432113 Link 5 |
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Thanks Brian, I agree totally, I think he's a top class no.2 but not a manager. I would love to see him in that capacity with the present Kildare set up, but that's not likely happen. His CV is impressive, he was with Tipp hurlers in 2010 and Kerry footballers in 2014 (very unusual for them to bring in an outsider, I think Paddy Tally is only the second outside coach) and also a stint with Mayo footballers
LilywhiteGael (Kildare) - Posts: 113 - 14/07/2022 21:06:24 2432133 Link 1 |
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Vile abuse ??, a couple of tweets and a letter to his house , slightly over the top there
Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1494 - 14/07/2022 21:49:42 2432140 Link 13 |
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Letters to his house and some of the stuff tweeted is completely unacceptable and is indeed vile, in particular given the context of Andy's brother Shane and his untimely death in a public facing job when also facing abuse. That being said I do agree with previous posters that abuse probably isn't a central concern with somebody deciding to manage Meath. A county board that isn't unified and has proven to be incompetent, coupled with a support base who judge on what they think the Meath team should always be able to achieve rather than what's realistic for these group of players is also another issue
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 15/07/2022 10:27:35 2432156 Link 5 |
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If you send letters anonymously to someone's family home abusing and threatening its vile. Would love to see how you would like letters and threats coming thru the letter box and being read by your family, easy being big man on here but this is down playing it.
Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 15/07/2022 10:31:01 2432157 Link 2 |
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The actions of the county board last October are definitely a much bigger reason that any abuse. Nasty stuff but wouldn't be in the top 5 reasons someone wouldn't touch us. I would suggest county board is reason 1A. For what it's worth I have heard nothing regarding g any candidate being ruled in or out lately but have been out of circulation a bit with covid! Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 15/07/2022 10:33:04 2432158 Link 1 |
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Agreed joe, the county boards actions of 1) the ratification of Andy for 2022 and 2) the BF saga in 2021 are amongst the many and myriad of reasons alone people would steer clear. Their absolute lack of professionalism and continued mishandling of every aspect of administration is a huge concern. The fact you've to beat Dublin to win a provincial title is another. The work to bring the current squad up to the required skill, fitness and S&C levels is another. Having to implement multiple strategies around defence, offence, kick outs, transitions is there. Having to build a culture within the squad and get over the weak mentality they have is another. Having a squad of three distinct groups of age profile and very little inbetween is concerning. If Menton and keoghan depart you're down to 2 and some of that older group could consider stepping away too. We're missing guys in that 24-27 age range who are approaching their prime and ready to drive things on and it's almost unfair to ask the youngest group to drive things on. Same as yourself, I've heard nothing. Was out with the guy i know this morning and I didn't ask and he didn't volunteer anything. Lastly, hope you've not been too badly affected by the COVID brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 15/07/2022 11:10:03 2432163 Link 3 |
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Agreed joe, the county boards actions of 1) the ratification of Andy for 2022 and 2) the BF saga in 2021 are amongst the many and myriad of reasons alone people would steer clear. Their absolute lack of professionalism and continued mishandling of every aspect of administration is a huge concern. The fact you've to beat Dublin to win a provincial title is another. The work to bring the current squad up to the required skill, fitness and S&C levels is another. Having to implement multiple strategies around defence, offence, kick outs, transitions is there. Having to build a culture within the squad and get over the weak mentality they have is another. Having a squad of three distinct groups of age profile and very little inbetween is concerning. If Menton and keoghan depart you're down to 2 and some of that older group could consider stepping away too. We're missing guys in that 24-27 age range who are approaching their prime and ready to drive things on and it's almost unfair to ask the youngest group to drive things on. Same as yourself, I've heard nothing. Was out with the guy i know this morning and I didn't ask and he didn't volunteer anything. Lastly, hope you've not been too badly affected by the COVID brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 15/07/2022 11:11:56 2432165 Link 4 |
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Absolutely and I think those two at the top with Andy and BF would and should discourage any top manager getting into bed with an unprofessional lot. I would argue the issues with S&C could be an opportunity in some ways to get an immediate lift etc same with a young squad, they are nearly opportunities if you are confident enough. There isn't a leak coming out now we are down to interviews so let nature take its course Altho I don't agree with the delay, for the reasons Jinxie outlined. Covid not too bad thankfully, on the mend thanks Brian Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 15/07/2022 12:05:45 2432181 Link 1 |
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Really great point re S&c there joe, if they could get that right and some improved tactics and game plans and systems then we could see a big jump in standards. And these young lads should be like sponges, same for any younger players or new players coming in or returning. Agreed that it's taking longer than I would've hoped for and again for me this is the issue, they can't get things done in timely fashion. That would be off putting to anyone involved. For example if Fitzmaurice is the preferred candidate, has made himself available and been interviewed then it should be wrapped up. Fait accompli, but the fact his name has been in the ether for 2-3 weeks and no one has come out and said he's in or out means IMHO it was all BS talk and posturing to look like they tried to get a big name in. The fact some are saying and i don't doubt this that the county board have gone looking for other candidates is disconcerting. For anyone still in the process I'd be pulling out if i was hearing this. I'd imagine there's still weeks and possibly months to go before there will be any resolution to things. I wait to be pleasantly surprised.... Good to hear you're on the mend, it's a nasty oul dose and I've managed to avoid it this far, but I'm sure it'll catch me yet. As my oul fella used to say to me, we're too ignorant to catch it ;) brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 15/07/2022 12:38:58 2432189 Link 3 |
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Last I heard was chairman was happy for it to run its course and net was cast wide. I do think if it was eamonn fitz (or any external or higher profile internal candidate like Colm) they would not want their name announced before the all Ireland is over so it doesn't dominate. So I am just sitting back and letting it happen. I think the age profile of squad and senior lads having a few years left and getting a rise from them is a positive for a new manager with a plan and trust in his staff but if it was me seeing the various disasterclasses put on by the board you'd be mad. I would have put the house on being too ignorant to catch it ;-) Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 15/07/2022 13:31:36 2432214 Link 1 |
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Are these two things not linked ?? Easy slating co board but it was a no win situation that the chairman and board were i put in when Andy reneged on an agreement that was in place, if i was on co committee this would have had a huge bearing on ratifying him for another term. In the modern era the senior management have an obligation fir the good of the county to have the best interests of the U20's in particular at heart, there should be a link between these squads and not acts if self interest. The ironic thing about the whole abuse story is that those involved and those on here expressing their revulsion at this have been more than happy to abuse journalists, Officials in person and former managers via this forum..... Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1494 - 15/07/2022 13:42:18 2432218 Link 16 |
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There's a clear difference between subjectively having an opinion on managers or players or officials and voicing them, agree some on here have gone past the line, I personally haven't and never would as they are all volunteers but I do think they way things were handled is a negative. Also the story of the u20s is not as clear cut as it seems and we have heard one side only via the media and posts other sides have remained silent. If you read between the lines of Robbie brennans interview recently it was not how it was made out to be. Reality is for those involved bar Bernie Andy would take less of the blame then board and Bernie himself. The biggest act of self interest was abandoning the u20s so close to the championship in my view. Surely you can see how sending anonymous threatening letters to someone's family home is outside the lines? It needs to left in the past but Meath or sport aside normalising this behaviour is bizarre. As seadog and Brian have rightly said, past is the past, it may impact on the present with a new manager but once that's done it all needs to be buried. We have infought too long and have lost touch with resources like Colm and Sean boylan to name two, culture change needed from top and from fans. Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 15/07/2022 13:59:45 2432227 Link 3 |
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is there proof that Andy reneged on agreement that was in place? Because I have heard from people I would class as credible that no such agreement was in place. Seems to be Flynn believes there was an agreement in place and it was reneged on but the CB and Andy believe there was no such agreement at all. Us mere mortals will never know I guess.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 15/07/2022 15:00:48 2432241 Link 1 |
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Yep think it'll always be he said she said.... its another blot that wasn't needed in public. I think it's best if we move on at this stage.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 15/07/2022 15:42:50 2432253 Link 2 |
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True, but it was circulated at the time of Flynns appointment that there was an agreement so i tske it there was. In any case i firmly believe that U20's should be released at all times for the overall sake of county teams, if a senior squad is dependent on a few U20's then something is amiss
Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1494 - 15/07/2022 17:08:38 2432267 Link 13 |
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Any manager with a big ego would love the Meath job. A county with a massive footballing population, just waiting for the right man to push us back up to the top. atta (Meath) - Posts: 704 - 15/07/2022 17:55:39 2432274 Link 1 |
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Meath 1996, 19 and 20 year olds won the all Ireland for meath.
Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 685 - 16/07/2022 11:19:21 2432309 Link 1 |
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Backbone of this Kerry side went straight from minor.
Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 16/07/2022 11:52:18 2432316 Link 0 |