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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Not while there a hole in your xxxx will Roscommon , Derry, Monaghan or Donegal win an All Ireland with the type of football they all played this year."
Not while there a hole in your xxxx will Roscommon , Derry, Monaghan or Donegal win an All Ireland with the type of football they all played this year.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 475 - 05/07/2023 06:34:20

And two teams with a 100% chance of winning an Ireland it could be the first year we have two winners in the history of the association !

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 05/07/2023 15:55:01    2492473

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Well watching Down against us they were a lot more attack minded than we were and than they were in the league. Against Laois they cut loose , poor opposition I will admit but we didn't do much attacking against London. In fact it was the other way round.
Antrim ran us ragged in the league . Waltzing through for score after score while we failed to lay a glove on them.
Their performance against Meath was very credible at least they moved the ball at pace and played to their strengths.
Meath going forward have a great scoring inside full forward line .
We play the same ***** regardless of the opposition . No variation whatsoever . Players afraid to shoot until in the scoring zone( where's that by the way?) it's all I hear from the sideline.
We didn't even try to use GMC efficiently. Spraying 10m passes latterly won't win much as it proved. Paddy Lynch 60m from goal no threat either.
London cut us wide open down the middle. We never learned from that and Down exploited that in 15 minutes."
They played the entire game, bar a few mad dashes up the field, with 15 players inside the 45. Yes, I agree that Cavan's attacking play is not up to scratch. However, to say that they should emulate the muck being played by Down is bizarre. They're the most defensive team in Ireland!

Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 05/07/2023 19:42:02    2492524

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Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "They played the entire game, bar a few mad dashes up the field, with 15 players inside the 45. Yes, I agree that Cavan's attacking play is not up to scratch. However, to say that they should emulate the muck being played by Down is bizarre. They're the most defensive team in Ireland!"
Nobody is saying to completely emulate what Down are doing but our numpty management team could at least look at the way they change from defence to attack at pace instead of the pure muck we are at… When we win the ball it's all slow ponderous **** that would put you to sleep… allowing even the poorest of teams time to flood the defence…mindless management.,,.,

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 06/07/2023 10:11:22    2492576

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Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "They played the entire game, bar a few mad dashes up the field, with 15 players inside the 45. Yes, I agree that Cavan's attacking play is not up to scratch. However, to say that they should emulate the muck being played by Down is bizarre. They're the most defensive team in Ireland!"
End of the day Down are in the Tailteann final and we are not so they must be doing something right.
They definitely have become more attack minded since we beat them in the league.
We played London away. No disrespect to London but we never pressed or attacked them. In fact it was the other way around. They cut us open for 2 goals , missed 2 easy chances and we never learned from that.
Doing the same things game in game out and expecting a different result is how I sun is up. If it's not working…,, change it. Simple as.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 06/07/2023 12:14:21    2492628

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Replying To RHF:  "Not while there a hole in your xxxx will Roscommon , Derry, Monaghan or Donegal win an All Ireland with the type of football they all played this year.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 475 - 05/07/2023 06:34:20

And two teams with a 100% chance of winning an Ireland it could be the first year we have two winners in the history of the association !"
Read the post correctly, I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about in general, past & current performances,
based on how Counties are in general and based on progress within Counties and player development.

As for the type of football they play, Donegal won an All Ireland playing that same football, and Derry/Monaghan are in All Ireland semi-finals so who knows!!

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 06/07/2023 12:41:52    2492639

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Read the post correctly, I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about in general, past & current performances,
based on how Counties are in general and based on progress within Counties and player development.

As for the type of football they play, Donegal won an All Ireland playing that same football, and Derry/Monaghan are in All Ireland semi-finals so who knows!!"
Donegal won an All Ireland playing defensive football and breaking at serious speed .
They used Murphy as a Target man . Remember Lacys diagonal ball in to Murphy against Mayo for a class goal.
They played to their strengths.
They had serious pace out of defence and players who could take a score like McFadden , Murphy and speed merchants like the McHughs
Big difference in that and the @@@@@ we play spraying 10m lateral and backward passes at a snails pace. And our target man playing out around midfield .
Wait til you see the hammerings both Derry and Monaghan get in the semis if you want proof that @@@@@ football doesn't work against teams that want to move forward at pace.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 06/07/2023 15:15:04    2492690

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Donegal won an All Ireland playing defensive football and breaking at serious speed .
They used Murphy as a Target man . Remember Lacys diagonal ball in to Murphy against Mayo for a class goal.
They played to their strengths.
They had serious pace out of defence and players who could take a score like McFadden , Murphy and speed merchants like the McHughs
Big difference in that and the @@@@@ we play spraying 10m lateral and backward passes at a snails pace. And our target man playing out around midfield .
Wait til you see the hammerings both Derry and Monaghan get in the semis if you want proof that @@@@@ football doesn't work against teams that want to move forward at pace."
So you think Mickey Graham told the Cavan players to go out in one match, defend and break at speed in one match, and then go out and defend and build up slow in another? At the end of the day, you can blame Mickey, Matty, Terry, the selectors, but the minute they cross the line, its up to the players to perform and they absolutely didn't. They were slowed and laboured against Armagh, there was no one willing to run off the shoulder or make the space, instead, they decided to take 16 pot shots at goal from 40/50 meteres out. Same in the Tailteann Cup final last year, coasting along and then an experienced player decides to play a stupid pass across the pitch which was intercepted and lead to a goal. Same in the league final against Fermanagh lately, they didnt bother to play in the first half, got an eating at half time and decided to play football.

This is all on the players, as I said before, Jim Gavin could take over but at the end of the day, these lads are senior inter-county footballers, not a bunch of u16s.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 07/07/2023 11:17:33    2492841

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "So you think Mickey Graham told the Cavan players to go out in one match, defend and break at speed in one match, and then go out and defend and build up slow in another? At the end of the day, you can blame Mickey, Matty, Terry, the selectors, but the minute they cross the line, its up to the players to perform and they absolutely didn't. They were slowed and laboured against Armagh, there was no one willing to run off the shoulder or make the space, instead, they decided to take 16 pot shots at goal from 40/50 meteres out. Same in the Tailteann Cup final last year, coasting along and then an experienced player decides to play a stupid pass across the pitch which was intercepted and lead to a goal. Same in the league final against Fermanagh lately, they didnt bother to play in the first half, got an eating at half time and decided to play football.

This is all on the players, as I said before, Jim Gavin could take over but at the end of the day, these lads are senior inter-county footballers, not a bunch of u16s."
Well I didn't see Mickey changing the personal around for the Tailteann cup.
Why did he not give the extended panel a run out if the regulars didn't perform against Armagh?
He stuck with the same players playing the same @@@@@.
By the way a quick question .. how long did Mickey last when he was the Gaels Manager? Did he last the full year?

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 07/07/2023 12:06:31    2492866

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "So you think Mickey Graham told the Cavan players to go out in one match, defend and break at speed in one match, and then go out and defend and build up slow in another? At the end of the day, you can blame Mickey, Matty, Terry, the selectors, but the minute they cross the line, its up to the players to perform and they absolutely didn't. They were slowed and laboured against Armagh, there was no one willing to run off the shoulder or make the space, instead, they decided to take 16 pot shots at goal from 40/50 meteres out. Same in the Tailteann Cup final last year, coasting along and then an experienced player decides to play a stupid pass across the pitch which was intercepted and lead to a goal. Same in the league final against Fermanagh lately, they didnt bother to play in the first half, got an eating at half time and decided to play football.

This is all on the players, as I said before, Jim Gavin could take over but at the end of the day, these lads are senior inter-county footballers, not a bunch of u16s."
There is a pattern in all your above examples and in almost every match the team has played in the past 2 years even in division 4 the team were sent out in every game regardless of the oppostion to keep things tight early on and hold a defensive position maybe it was the shock of getting relegated to division 4 which lead to mickey losing his nerve and going for this approach which gave every team regardless of their ability a great platform to play and stay in the game against us which is why we only scraped by most teams even in division 4, The only exception was the championship game against Donegal where we got a brilliant performance of attacking football.
i watched a different Tailteann cup final that you i never thought we were coasting along we got a luck goal from faulkner to keep us in the game after Mickey again got all the calls wrong on the side line and all the match ups on the field wrong which was the main reason for our defeat.
Either way his time is up if we agree with your assessment then the players are not listening to him or playing for him and in my opinion Mickey has lost his nerve is too defensive is to loyal to players that are passed it and wont give up and coming players a chance by rotating his squad in division 3 and 4 and the tailteann cup. No manager ever had as good a chance to give fringe players a chance and now the new manager will have to blood them in division 2.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 07/07/2023 16:09:49    2492975

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Well I didn't see Mickey changing the personal around for the Tailteann cup.
Why did he not give the extended panel a run out if the regulars didn't perform against Armagh?
He stuck with the same players playing the same @@@@@.
By the way a quick question .. how long did Mickey last when he was the Gaels Manager? Did he last the full year?"
If you're questioning the man's club record, you're barking up the wrong tree!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5200 - 07/07/2023 17:53:21    2492998

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Graham took over a team in Division 1 and brought them to Division 4…. Any other manager in any sport in the world would have been fired before it got to that.. He clung on because of our 2020 Ulster win that came about in the strangest of circumstances but we have regressed massively since that which is not a good sign… We did gain back to back league titles ( Div3/4 ) but that wasn't a big ask to be fair.. We got to one Taltainn cup final where our tactics and poor management cost us dear and this year wen out with a whimper to Down in the QF… How in Gods name can anyone say we have progressed under this dour management…? Wakey wakey County board… are the paltry crowds going to matches not a big enough wake up call for you…? Get rid…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 08/07/2023 09:08:47    2493067

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Replying To cavanman47:  "If you're questioning the man's club record, you're barking up the wrong tree!"
Yes questioning his club record with Cavan Gaels as a manager. Not as a player. How long did he last????

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 08/07/2023 10:26:28    2493079

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Graham took over a team in Division 1 and brought them to Division 4…. Any other manager in any sport in the world would have been fired before it got to that.. He clung on because of our 2020 Ulster win that came about in the strangest of circumstances but we have regressed massively since that which is not a good sign… We did gain back to back league titles ( Div3/4 ) but that wasn't a big ask to be fair.. We got to one Taltainn cup final where our tactics and poor management cost us dear and this year wen out with a whimper to Down in the QF… How in Gods name can anyone say we have progressed under this dour management…? Wakey wakey County board… are the paltry crowds going to matches not a big enough wake up call for you…? Get rid…"
Hyland was in charge for 5 years, what did he win in that time?

You seem to dwell on the 2020 win, the only thing strange is that there was no crowd, but they still beat a very Donegal side. You also fail to mentioned that he got us to an Ulster Final the year before that, our first back to back Ulster Finals since the 60s, our first Ulster Final win since the 90s. Yes, we went down to Division 4, but lets not forget, players left the panel and he has introduced some very good young players and we are now playing Division 2 football and you what, thats probably Cavan's level and has been for many years because we simply dont have the quality of player that many of the bigger Counties have.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 10/07/2023 16:50:21    2493641

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Hyland was in charge for 5 years, what did he win in that time?

You seem to dwell on the 2020 win, the only thing strange is that there was no crowd, but they still beat a very Donegal side. You also fail to mentioned that he got us to an Ulster Final the year before that, our first back to back Ulster Finals since the 60s, our first Ulster Final win since the 90s. Yes, we went down to Division 4, but lets not forget, players left the panel and he has introduced some very good young players and we are now playing Division 2 football and you what, thats probably Cavan's level and has been for many years because we simply dont have the quality of player that many of the bigger Counties have."
Well Graham is gone now so let's hope whoever comes in has a better way of playing the game

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 10/07/2023 19:30:27    2493671

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So ye got your wish. Mickey Graham has stepped aside. Big work needed now to get the right appointment. Can't make a mistake like after Terry as we need to get up to speed quickly, stay in Division 2 minimum and compete at the top tier. Not sure who is out there though. Really hope we can push on and we don't look back with regret at this time.

Huge thanks Mickey. 5 years there is a huge personal investment and time and effort put in. We'll always have 2020 and you brought huge joy and respect back to Cavan football. The bar was raised

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 10/07/2023 19:44:58    2493674

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Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "Down became more attack minded!! Sorry but that's a bizarre point to make. Are you for real? Down play an absolutely horrible style where, the moment they lose the ball, every player retreats inside their 45, making no effort whatsoever to tackle higher than this. You obviously didn't bother going to the tailteann cup quarter final or you would not be making such a point. As for Antrim, They're playing the same turgid style that had the Meath players revolt against McEntee."
yeah Down are so defensive only scoring 8 goals against Laois .. ha ha

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 11/07/2023 09:05:52    2493713

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Well, Mickey is gone. Looks like it was his own choice which he deserved. He deserves immense credit for what he's achieved as manager.

It would've been wrong to speculate on replacements while he was still in the job, but now that he's gone, who do people think will get it or want to see get it?

I'd only want an outside manager I'd they were proven. McGuinness, Malachy O'Rourke, etc.
Don't think McGuinness is a realistic option tho he has been involved with Galway last year and Down this year. O'Rourke is surely looking to get back into management and bounced back well from leaving Monaghan at a similar point to where Mickey is leaving us. Plenty of merry-go-round managers would be interested and I think it's critical we avoid that trap.

In saying that, I'd be 99% sure the CB will go for a local man. Not sure we have many within the county who have the experience needed.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5200 - 11/07/2023 09:58:37    2493728

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Hyland was in charge for 5 years, what did he win in that time?

You seem to dwell on the 2020 win, the only thing strange is that there was no crowd, but they still beat a very Donegal side. You also fail to mentioned that he got us to an Ulster Final the year before that, our first back to back Ulster Finals since the 60s, our first Ulster Final win since the 90s. Yes, we went down to Division 4, but lets not forget, players left the panel and he has introduced some very good young players and we are now playing Division 2 football and you what, thats probably Cavan's level and has been for many years because we simply dont have the quality of player that many of the bigger Counties have."
Well if you don't think playing an Ulster final at a very unusual venue in the last week of November in an empty stadium is not a tad strange then there must be something wrong with you…. I don't know why you keep harping on about Terry Hyland as I have never mentioned him… A new manager in now and hopefully he will play a better brand of football that will at least keep supporters awake…!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 11/07/2023 10:16:56    2493731

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Well Graham is gone now so let's hope whoever comes in has a better way of playing the game"
Wait til you hear the names of the replacements mentioned!!

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 11/07/2023 11:09:56    2493740

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Big thanks to Mickey for his Ulster Title achievement. Things have gone stale this year so I think he made the right choice.
If it is a local man he needs a big number 2 with him.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 11/07/2023 11:52:33    2493755

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