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Cavan Minor And U20s 2022

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No, but it tells us more about you as a supporter. You're a hurler on the ditch. Cribbing from behind a screen on your couch, but not fit to even travel to matches. Some fan you are"
For many years I went to every Cavan match and enjoyed the crack regardless of the results… Unfortunately nowadays I am unable to attend most matches which you seem keen to point out… I still love watching Cavan play and I'm as entitled to give an opinion as I see it just as much as you… I can see both sides when a match is on and while I support one and want them to win I can see the merits of the opposition too… You can't view every match with BLUE tinted glasses…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 26/04/2022 13:07:48    2413317

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "For many years I went to every Cavan match and enjoyed the crack regardless of the results… Unfortunately nowadays I am unable to attend most matches which you seem keen to point out… I still love watching Cavan play and I'm as entitled to give an opinion as I see it just as much as you… I can see both sides when a match is on and while I support one and want them to win I can see the merits of the opposition too… You can't view every match with BLUE tinted glasses….."
Well if you at least watch the games that is. Sure you admitted as much last week that you didn't watch the U20s games leading up to the final.

And why can't I? I do have some blue tinted glasses, and always look for the best. But I am critical when needed too. I'm just not the opposite of blue tinted glasses constantly

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 26/04/2022 14:03:10    2413340

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Well if you at least watch the games that is. Sure you admitted as much last week that you didn't watch the U20s games leading up to the final.

And why can't I? I do have some blue tinted glasses, and always look for the best. But I am critical when needed too. I'm just not the opposite of blue tinted glasses constantly"
I wasn't able to get the other games up…not very savvy when it comes to that sort of thing… I can see the good and the bad…. You are more like the Dubs supporters who jumped on the bandwagon… they could only see one thing and now most of them are back with their Utd and Celtic jersey's on….!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 26/04/2022 16:43:47    2413399

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I wasn't able to get the other games up…not very savvy when it comes to that sort of thing… I can see the good and the bad…. You are more like the Dubs supporters who jumped on the bandwagon… they could only see one thing and now most of them are back with their Utd and Celtic jersey's on….!!!"
Fair enough if you couldn't get to the games, or even get them online (they were on YouTube though, very handy to find on any basic device with internet capabilities) but that's not what I'm saying. You came in with a load of guff about the way they played and such, saying about their method of play and being wholly negative, when you didn't even watch it. That was what we came at you about, you just went negative without even watching. If you didn't see it, congratulate and move on

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 27/04/2022 09:22:49    2413490

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Fair enough if you couldn't get to the games, or even get them online (they were on YouTube though, very handy to find on any basic device with internet capabilities) but that's not what I'm saying. You came in with a load of guff about the way they played and such, saying about their method of play and being wholly negative, when you didn't even watch it. That was what we came at you about, you just went negative without even watching. If you didn't see it, congratulate and move on"
But without even seeing them playing I was proved right…. What I posted was that I thought their poor scoring returns would come back to haunt them in the Final…. If you can't see this was the big problem in the Final in which they mostly dominated perhaps you are wasting your time attending games…. You and others are too inclined to blame the referee for defeat …. While the referee was very poor he at no time was responsible for the silly wides our forwards kicked….they are the reason an Ulster U20 title was left behind not the ref….!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 27/04/2022 10:02:12    2413512

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "But without even seeing them playing I was proved right…. What I posted was that I thought their poor scoring returns would come back to haunt them in the Final…. If you can't see this was the big problem in the Final in which they mostly dominated perhaps you are wasting your time attending games…. You and others are too inclined to blame the referee for defeat …. While the referee was very poor he at no time was responsible for the silly wides our forwards kicked….they are the reason an Ulster U20 title was left behind not the ref….!!!"
A stopped clock and all that. You got an answer by applying the wrong formula. Doesn't mean you were proved right

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 28/04/2022 10:27:26    2413794

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "A stopped clock and all that. You got an answer by applying the wrong formula. Doesn't mean you were proved right"
Oh but it does and you know it…. There is a lot more to be taken out of a game other than the result

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 28/04/2022 13:00:44    2413844

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Oh but it does and you know it…. There is a lot more to be taken out of a game other than the result"
No it really doesn't. I'm not even saying that you're right. But if you think saying something without any knowledge of or even watching that thing, makes you right, then I don't know what to say. That's why I mentioned the analogy of a stopped clock being right twice a day...

And you are a stopped clock, aren't you? As you're quick to shoot from the hip, but not quick to respond when you're proven very wrong, which is most of the time. I replied to you a few days ago about ours and Armaghs opening games in Ulster. You said Armagh had it harder, when I proved they didn't. You went quiet and didn't reply. Why was that?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 28/04/2022 13:47:18    2413868

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Oh but it does and you know it…. There is a lot more to be taken out of a game other than the result"
you are like a depressed version of the quiet man who use to be on this forum pretending to be a Cavan supporter a year or so ago but in reality was always trying to knock the team. if you genuinely supported Cavan and were not so worried about been proven right all the time you could see that the under twenty team put in a great performance in the final especially in the first half where they should have been 5 or 6 points up and this eventually was their undoing along with the help Tyrone got from the ref. Tyrone were dire in the first half completely beaten in midfield and The Cavan defence had their forwards in their pockets and if the ref had not of given them 3 to 4 scorable frees which were all taken from the wrong position the game would have been over. Imagine the encouragement Tyrone gained from this help going in at half time only a point down and the opposite effect it had on the Cavan camp. Yes we did not do ourselves justice in the second half and Tyrone improved but even Tyrone supportes at the match agreed that the ref decided the outcome but our own forever blue true cavan supporter cant bear to hear this.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 28/04/2022 17:06:44    2413931

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "you are like a depressed version of the quiet man who use to be on this forum pretending to be a Cavan supporter a year or so ago but in reality was always trying to knock the team. if you genuinely supported Cavan and were not so worried about been proven right all the time you could see that the under twenty team put in a great performance in the final especially in the first half where they should have been 5 or 6 points up and this eventually was their undoing along with the help Tyrone got from the ref. Tyrone were dire in the first half completely beaten in midfield and The Cavan defence had their forwards in their pockets and if the ref had not of given them 3 to 4 scorable frees which were all taken from the wrong position the game would have been over. Imagine the encouragement Tyrone gained from this help going in at half time only a point down and the opposite effect it had on the Cavan camp. Yes we did not do ourselves justice in the second half and Tyrone improved but even Tyrone supportes at the match agreed that the ref decided the outcome but our own forever blue true cavan supporter cant bear to hear this."
Exactly this, couldn't agree more

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 28/04/2022 17:57:09    2413940

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "you are like a depressed version of the quiet man who use to be on this forum pretending to be a Cavan supporter a year or so ago but in reality was always trying to knock the team. if you genuinely supported Cavan and were not so worried about been proven right all the time you could see that the under twenty team put in a great performance in the final especially in the first half where they should have been 5 or 6 points up and this eventually was their undoing along with the help Tyrone got from the ref. Tyrone were dire in the first half completely beaten in midfield and The Cavan defence had their forwards in their pockets and if the ref had not of given them 3 to 4 scorable frees which were all taken from the wrong position the game would have been over. Imagine the encouragement Tyrone gained from this help going in at half time only a point down and the opposite effect it had on the Cavan camp. Yes we did not do ourselves justice in the second half and Tyrone improved but even Tyrone supportes at the match agreed that the ref decided the outcome but our own forever blue true cavan supporter cant bear to hear this."
I know the referee was bad but the point is our own bad play cost us the game…. If you read back my post pre match you will see I said I hoped to be wrong in my prediction but you are probably too slow to pick that up… Cavan supporters love setting the bar low and applauding failure… every forward apart from Lovett on the night played woefully and ultimately cost us the game…but sure it's easier to blame the referee… Nobody goes out to play bad but maybe that's as good as they are… just accept it and move on…. What I predicted came through even though I didn't want it to…. We are here to discuss what might happen and if you don't like it that's tough..!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 28/04/2022 18:40:58    2413948

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No it really doesn't. I'm not even saying that you're right. But if you think saying something without any knowledge of or even watching that thing, makes you right, then I don't know what to say. That's why I mentioned the analogy of a stopped clock being right twice a day...

And you are a stopped clock, aren't you? As you're quick to shoot from the hip, but not quick to respond when you're proven very wrong, which is most of the time. I replied to you a few days ago about ours and Armaghs opening games in Ulster. You said Armagh had it harder, when I proved they didn't. You went quiet and didn't reply. Why was that?"
I did reply and said regardless of who a team draws in the 1st round ( in this case Armagh) they can still end up in the hard side of the draw…. Cavan have only reached one Ulster final since 1983 ( 38 years ) by beating any of Tyrone/Donegal/Derry/Armagh to get there…. We have a good record v Monaghan but if any of the above are in our side we are usually dust… Next weekend gives them another chance to change that statistic…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 28/04/2022 18:55:59    2413950

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Loughduff Lad I genuinely forgot about our 2019 win over Armagh after a replay ( I think we scored something like 40 points over the 2 games )… I think we were expecting to beat them as we were in Division 1 and they were in 3 maybe but you must admit our record against the bigger 3/4 teams is pretty poor over the last 25/30 years…. Since 1978 when we beat Armagh in the 1st round we have not drawn them very often in the Championship… maybe 4/5 times in 44 years…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 28/04/2022 19:36:19    2413960

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "you are like a depressed version of the quiet man who use to be on this forum pretending to be a Cavan supporter a year or so ago but in reality was always trying to knock the team. if you genuinely supported Cavan and were not so worried about been proven right all the time you could see that the under twenty team put in a great performance in the final especially in the first half where they should have been 5 or 6 points up and this eventually was their undoing along with the help Tyrone got from the ref. Tyrone were dire in the first half completely beaten in midfield and The Cavan defence had their forwards in their pockets and if the ref had not of given them 3 to 4 scorable frees which were all taken from the wrong position the game would have been over. Imagine the encouragement Tyrone gained from this help going in at half time only a point down and the opposite effect it had on the Cavan camp. Yes we did not do ourselves justice in the second half and Tyrone improved but even Tyrone supportes at the match agreed that the ref decided the outcome but our own forever blue true cavan supporter cant bear to hear this."
As you say we left the game behind. Whether it's ref decisions or inexperience who knows.
My problem is we leave a lot of games behind in most grades.
Now Tyrone don't seem to leave many behind in any grade. They also seem to be able to dig out a result when it seems most unlikely.
In your opinion where are we going wrong? Because it's happening for years in most grades

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 29/04/2022 08:23:12    2413974

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "As you say we left the game behind. Whether it's ref decisions or inexperience who knows.
My problem is we leave a lot of games behind in most grades.
Now Tyrone don't seem to leave many behind in any grade. They also seem to be able to dig out a result when it seems most unlikely.
In your opinion where are we going wrong? Because it's happening for years in most grades"
i think it always been a problem for Cavan and most underdogs the belief is not really there so to get a victory Cavan need to be at least 5 or 6 point better team to win by one point and even at that need things to go for them ie a bith of luck and a neutral referee. Tyrone and their likes at this stage are use to winning so mentally they always believe they are going to beat Cavan no matter how bad they are playing.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 29/04/2022 11:24:35    2414025

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "i think it always been a problem for Cavan and most underdogs the belief is not really there so to get a victory Cavan need to be at least 5 or 6 point better team to win by one point and even at that need things to go for them ie a bith of luck and a neutral referee. Tyrone and their likes at this stage are use to winning so mentally they always believe they are going to beat Cavan no matter how bad they are playing."
You have probably hit the nail on the head there.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 29/04/2022 12:04:24    2414040

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Loughduff Lad I genuinely forgot about our 2019 win over Armagh after a replay ( I think we scored something like 40 points over the 2 games )… I think we were expecting to beat them as we were in Division 1 and they were in 3 maybe but you must admit our record against the bigger 3/4 teams is pretty poor over the last 25/30 years…. Since 1978 when we beat Armagh in the 1st round we have not drawn them very often in the Championship… maybe 4/5 times in 44 years…"
You said that Armagh had a tougher draw last 5 years, when actually it was far easier than ours. But you ignored that when I showed you who they had drawn... I'm simply saying you throw around statements, but disappear when you're proven to be wrong

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 29/04/2022 12:10:36    2414045

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "You said that Armagh had a tougher draw last 5 years, when actually it was far easier than ours. But you ignored that when I showed you who they had drawn... I'm simply saying you throw around statements, but disappear when you're proven to be wrong"
Never proved wrong… the fact is we have only beaten Tyrone or Donegal once on our way to the Final since 1983… a terrible record… The minute we are drawn together with Tyrone we are a beaten docket… fact but you love living in cloud cuckoo land… Try and enter the real world now and again

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 29/04/2022 18:37:10    2414087

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No, but it tells us more about you as a supporter. You're a hurler on the ditch. Cribbing from behind a screen on your couch, but not fit to even travel to matches. Some fan you are"
I really don't get the argument that being at a match or not at a match changes the facts of how the team plays , some people can go and some can't , there are plenty of ways of getting info as in TV , Radio , Streaming , or even anecdotally but whether you were there or not is irrelevant , None of us were at the 2020 Championship at all but yet we all enjoyed the games immensely second-hand and could feel free to comment as if we were experts. I ve been to hundreds of Cavan games down the years but have also taken the option of staying at home at times to watch instead and sometimes you get a better grasp of the match as in action replays , etc.

tenyearplan (Cavan) - Posts: 147 - 30/04/2022 12:12:57    2414140

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Never proved wrong… the fact is we have only beaten Tyrone or Donegal once on our way to the Final since 1983… a terrible record… The minute we are drawn together with Tyrone we are a beaten docket… fact but you love living in cloud cuckoo land… Try and enter the real world now and again"
Who mentioned Tyrone and Donegal? I know we've a bad record on them. But that wasn't what we discussed, it was our draw vs Armaghs the last few years. You said theirs was harder, and it a really wasn't. But keep digging...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 30/04/2022 12:27:09    2414143

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