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Replying To blueman1903: "Weakened Cavan team also, it seems that's how it's going to be for the foreseeable unfortunately, Cavan hit hard with COVID." When did you hear Cavan were hit with the virus???
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 22/10/2020 13:58:22
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Replying To The Quiet Man: "When did you hear Cavan were hit with the virus???" County Cavan have the highest rates of Covid-19 in Ireland , do you not watch any news?
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 22/10/2020 14:53:41
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I wouldn't be too concerned about the league or what happens at the weekend. It is only used as preparation for the c'ship for any serious team.
Many spoofers will argue that you need to playing against better teams week in week in the league to be prepared for a good c'ship tilt, but Cavan's good performances in Div 1 & Div 2 have not translated to c'ship success in any way. The step up to C'ship pace and intensity seems to be another level up even from the Div. 1 league, where Meath's & Kildare's can go toe to toe with Dublin for 70 mins and then get bet by 15 points in Leinster every year.
This level up is one which Cavan have rarely met whether they started training in February or November. Losing to much lower league ranked Tipperary, and getting hammered by similarly league ranked Tyrone & Donegal on various recent occasions is evidence enough of that. The game that are exceptions to that statement are few and far between. Narrow defeats with Tyrone & Donegal would have been honourable enough for supports but we haven't even landed a blow.
Mickey should be focusing on fixing a few of the inherent problems that have plagued this team for years ahead of the upcoming Monaghan game to show that he has learnt some lessons from those recent c'ship hammerings that will make us more competitive this time around. And don't mind the relegation, the league or the next phase of the never-ending rebuilding project. Neither will be spoke about too much at his year end review if Monaghan beat us by 7+ points.
PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 22/10/2020 15:16:14
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Replying To PatTheDandy: "I wouldn't be too concerned about the league or what happens at the weekend. It is only used as preparation for the c'ship for any serious team.
Many spoofers will argue that you need to playing against better teams week in week in the league to be prepared for a good c'ship tilt, but Cavan's good performances in Div 1 & Div 2 have not translated to c'ship success in any way. The step up to C'ship pace and intensity seems to be another level up even from the Div. 1 league, where Meath's & Kildare's can go toe to toe with Dublin for 70 mins and then get bet by 15 points in Leinster every year.
This level up is one which Cavan have rarely met whether they started training in February or November. Losing to much lower league ranked Tipperary, and getting hammered by similarly league ranked Tyrone & Donegal on various recent occasions is evidence enough of that. The game that are exceptions to that statement are few and far between. Narrow defeats with Tyrone & Donegal would have been honourable enough for supports but we haven't even landed a blow.
Mickey should be focusing on fixing a few of the inherent problems that have plagued this team for years ahead of the upcoming Monaghan game to show that he has learnt some lessons from those recent c'ship hammerings that will make us more competitive this time around. And don't mind the relegation, the league or the next phase of the never-ending rebuilding project. Neither will be spoke about too much at his year end review if Monaghan beat us by 7+ points." If we are relegated we don't play for SAM next year!!!
Breffnisbest (Cavan) - Posts: 473 - 22/10/2020 15:50:15
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Replying To PatTheDandy: "I wouldn't be too concerned about the league or what happens at the weekend. It is only used as preparation for the c'ship for any serious team.
Many spoofers will argue that you need to playing against better teams week in week in the league to be prepared for a good c'ship tilt, but Cavan's good performances in Div 1 & Div 2 have not translated to c'ship success in any way. The step up to C'ship pace and intensity seems to be another level up even from the Div. 1 league, where Meath's & Kildare's can go toe to toe with Dublin for 70 mins and then get bet by 15 points in Leinster every year.
This level up is one which Cavan have rarely met whether they started training in February or November. Losing to much lower league ranked Tipperary, and getting hammered by similarly league ranked Tyrone & Donegal on various recent occasions is evidence enough of that. The game that are exceptions to that statement are few and far between. Narrow defeats with Tyrone & Donegal would have been honourable enough for supports but we haven't even landed a blow.
Mickey should be focusing on fixing a few of the inherent problems that have plagued this team for years ahead of the upcoming Monaghan game to show that he has learnt some lessons from those recent c'ship hammerings that will make us more competitive this time around. And don't mind the relegation, the league or the next phase of the never-ending rebuilding project. Neither will be spoke about too much at his year end review if Monaghan beat us by 7+ points." The league directly affects the championship in that if we are relegated, we enter the "B" Championship next year, assuming they go ahead with the 2-tier approach.
While we won't be winning Sam Maguire any time soon, we should be playing in the top 16 in championship if we are to make any progress.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5200 - 22/10/2020 15:54:06
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Don't worry PatTheDandy. Monaghan won't be beating anyone by 7+ points this year, least of all Cavan. With only a week or so to the championship, there has never been as little talk about El Classico in the eastern side of the drumlin belt. In any other year the nerves on both sides of the road from Kingscourt to Clones would be crackling, but not this time.
Not going to go too far down the 'list of injuries' route, but Monaghan have a few big ones like Kearns, Walsh and McCarthy to contend with. That pales in comparison to the issues with the Cavan panel I suppose. Cavan probably have a surprise factor in their favour as the starting team is anyone's guess, Mickey Graham included. Covid aside, you know what you will face from Monaghan, plus the Banty is not exactly a tactical master either. Looking at the Donegal and Tyrone game last Sunday, the Ulster winners are coming from that duo anyhow.
But you never know, if the ball does get thrown in and a few early hits get landed, it could be just like old times...
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1121 - 22/10/2020 17:11:17
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Replying To Breffnisbest: "If we are relegated we don't play for SAM next year!!!" Relegation fears are as good as over now for Cavan with the news that Roscommon will be fielding a makeshift side.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 22/10/2020 17:16:35
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Replying To Yondu: "Relegation fears are as good as over now for Cavan with the news that Roscommon will be fielding a makeshift side." Relegation fears are as good as over now for Cavan with the news that Roscommon will be fielding a makeshift side.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 314 - 22/10/2020 17:16:35
It evens things up Cavan have only a makeshift side aswell.
RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 23/10/2020 09:37:47
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Replying To cavanman47: "Right, on to the Roscommon game. They have had our number for the best part of the last decade, but we bucked that trend in style last year.
We have to assume Laois will beat Fermanagh (or get a walkover) and approach this game accordingly. It's far more important for us than it is for Roscommon, especially if a tiered championship goes ahead next year.
We showed the good and the bad last week and it should be pretty obvious to Mickey where changes are required. I'd go with the following team:
R Galligan
J McLoughlin
P Faulkner
L Fortune
C Brady
K Clarke
G Smith
G McKiernan
J Smith (if available, otherwise B Magee)
M Reilly
C Conroy
O Kiernan
C McGovern
C Madden
C Smith" Why would you drop Cormac O'Reilly who was very effective starting at full forward last week?
BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 23/10/2020 13:06:53
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Replying To BreffniGuide: "Why would you drop Cormac O'Reilly who was very effective starting at full forward last week?" I was 50/50 between himself and giving McGovern the start.
Definitely think we need Madden there.
Maybe McGovern can start in the half forward line.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5200 - 23/10/2020 13:37:49
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Replying To RHF: "Relegation fears are as good as over now for Cavan with the news that Roscommon will be fielding a makeshift side.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 314 - 22/10/2020 17:16:35
It evens things up Cavan have only a makeshift side aswell." Cavan will have 11 of last years Ulster final starting 15 available for selection tomorrow.
That 11 are Raymond Galligan; Killian Clarke, Padraig Faulkner; Jason McLoughlin, Ciaran Brady, Gearoid McKiernan;Martin Reilly, Niall Murray,Gerard Smith, Oisin Kiernan and Oisin Pierson
Nothing even about it. Cavan should be winning tomorrows game by a bit to spare.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 23/10/2020 14:26:47
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Replying To Yondu: "Cavan will have 11 of last years Ulster final starting 15 available for selection tomorrow.
That 11 are Raymond Galligan; Killian Clarke, Padraig Faulkner; Jason McLoughlin, Ciaran Brady, Gearoid McKiernan;Martin Reilly, Niall Murray,Gerard Smith, Oisin Kiernan and Oisin Pierson
Nothing even about it. Cavan should be winning tomorrows game by a bit to spare." How do you know who Cavan have starting, the panel is ravaged by COVID and close contacts of COVID?
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 23/10/2020 15:23:36
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Replying To fredflint: "How do you know who Cavan have starting, the panel is ravaged by COVID and close contacts of COVID?" Those are names of 11 players that started last years Ulster final. Most of those players featured last weekend against Kildare the few that didn't have returned to the panel for selection for this Roscommon game according to Mickey Graham.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 23/10/2020 16:08:55
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Replying To Yondu: "Those are names of 11 players that started last years Ulster final. Most of those players featured last weekend against Kildare the few that didn't have returned to the panel for selection for this Roscommon game according to Mickey Graham." I can safely say although roscommon will be missing 14 of the panel tomorrow probably 7 of those started against Armagh but still available to play will be 11 at least lads who played in and won 1 and some 2 connacht final victories, we are weakened but we have had far worse 15s available through the years.
OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1770 - 23/10/2020 17:28:59
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Embarrassing so far. You'd swear we had nothing to play for. Listless and unfit.
BlueHeaven (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 24/10/2020 14:58:01
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Watching the game vs Roscommon are missing most of there best players, this is the worst cavan team and performance i have seen. The only thing consistent with cavan is the inconsistent team selection and performances There ability to do the right things wrong is breath taken. slow build up and no plan B if it does not work first time just kick it away......
Roscommon were the best team by a mile. A team with nothing to play for except pride....
Cavan came back into it when Rosommon diluted the team with subs.
bottom line it's a poor team with poor quality players with poor skill level and decision making ability and a manager who just seems to be going backwards with this team...
bluegeals (Cavan) - Posts: 4 - 24/10/2020 15:35:59
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Relegated. And deservedly so.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5200 - 24/10/2020 15:42:07
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That's a tough pill to swallow for us supporters. To get relegated by roscommon's junior team is hard to take. What was the management thinking starting a player who had spent most of the year saying how much he didn't want to play county football? For a huge football county we are an extremely poor side, no top class players at all. A lot of lads who love to talk a big game but are nowhere to be seen when it matters. Back to back relegations now and I wouldn't bet against us going one further next year with the bunch.
CavanAgain (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 24/10/2020 15:54:04
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Dire performance.. why do we wait until the game is over to start playing. We wait until the other time drops intensity because they know they are home and hoosed. Time for some lads to show some bottle and do it when it matters .
Now we are back to division 3 to where it all started. 10 years of hard work undone and with very little underage success in recent years the future is dark .
In reality we have been going downhill since Terry left. I actually think we have regressed a lot under graham we look clueless and have become an easy touch once again. Double relegation is not good enough and I am have serious reservations on whether he is the man anymore. It hurts me saying that because I had such high Hope's when he came in. I would stick with him to rebuild in division 3 but he needs to strengthen his background ticket. Otherwise I can see us stagnating in division 3 like we did from 2009 - 2014.
blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 197 - 24/10/2020 16:00:06
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It's an amazing thing that a county with virtually no rugby, no soccer and no hurling to compete with, cant even produce a decent football team.
Why is that?
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 24/10/2020 16:12:09
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