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Replying To bond: "What's happening on this site ?? Messages not being posted & some of those that are have been deleted. Just because of differences of opinion & no offence to other poster intended. Mattie will definitely get another year but needs more help on the line..." What's happening on this site ?? Messages not being posted & some of those that are have been deleted. Just because of differences of opinion & no offence to other poster intended. Mattie will definitely get another year but needs more help on the line...
bond (Longford) - Posts:94 - 09/07/2017 17:05:12 2013134
We don't often agree but this time I agree with you 100%
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I have to say I was a very very disappointed man walking out of the game yesterday. I am at a loss to understand how we threw that game away.
I am not going near the players - i think this loss sits with the management. When Buchanan was taken off, Gearoid came out to midfield but was outnumbered when he tried to catch. This was glaring to all in the stand but yet there were no changes from the line. We need an enforcer at cebtre back also as they were coasting through on some occasions. I don't know where we Cavan football goes from here.
Here are my thoughts in the lead up to next year.
McGleenan needs to closely watch the club championships.
Some younger talents can break through and become important players for us - Galligan, Connolly, O'Reilly.
Game plan - how are we going to play? This should be understood by every player on the panel. Too much confusion in our play.
Kick passing - all of the top teams in Ireland use this to good effect. Time that we started using it to better effect
Clarity on positions - each player should know which position he is being considered for. Far too much confusion in our play - clarity needed.
I could go on....Anyway, thats it for Cavan and 2017. Out with a whimper.
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Replying To seanorinn: "What's happening on this site ?? Messages not being posted & some of those that are have been deleted. Just because of differences of opinion & no offence to other poster intended. Mattie will definitely get another year but needs more help on the line...
bond (Longford) - Posts:94 - 09/07/2017 17:05:12 2013134
We don't often agree but this time I agree with you 100%" I thought i had hit rock bottom after the Monaghan loss, but i took a chisel to it since Saturday. I really couldn't look at a ball for at least a month now. No appetite for the club scene either.
I was 100% convinced that Mattie McGleenan was Cavans man this time last year and was delighted at the appointment. A few Monaghan lads I know said at the time that Colin McAree was the real power behind the throne in Scotstown but I laughed that off as sour grapes. Malachy ORourke moved quickly to secure his services. Looks now that they may have been correct. Mattie still deserves his second year so I hope Im proved wrong again, or right all along, if you know what I mean. Thanks to the county players for their efforts in training all year, what a pity it failed to translate on the pitch.
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From what i've seen Mattie is not the answer. Tactically inept.
We need a manager with All Ireland final experience, someone the young players will buy into and be happy to work under.
Talking about new players coming through now by some posters. What about all the U.21's who have come through? Are we going to ruin them too and stifle their football ability? More wasted talent? More young lads given over to fools so that their football freedom and skill can be coached out of them?
Get someone in who knows what they're doing and no more cheap experiments. Kerry and Dublin don't do cheap experiments, they have managers who have been there and who know what it takes to win while we employ bluffers. Don't forget that the last time we won Ulster we did so with an All Ireland winner in charge.
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 10/07/2017 11:33:07
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Replying To Reformation: "I have to say I was a very very disappointed man walking out of the game yesterday. I am at a loss to understand how we threw that game away.
I am not going near the players - i think this loss sits with the management. When Buchanan was taken off, Gearoid came out to midfield but was outnumbered when he tried to catch. This was glaring to all in the stand but yet there were no changes from the line. We need an enforcer at cebtre back also as they were coasting through on some occasions. I don't know where we Cavan football goes from here.
Here are my thoughts in the lead up to next year.
McGleenan needs to closely watch the club championships.
Some younger talents can break through and become important players for us - Galligan, Connolly, O'Reilly.
Game plan - how are we going to play? This should be understood by every player on the panel. Too much confusion in our play.
Kick passing - all of the top teams in Ireland use this to good effect. Time that we started using it to better effect
Clarity on positions - each player should know which position he is being considered for. Far too much confusion in our play - clarity needed.
I could go on....Anyway, thats it for Cavan and 2017. Out with a whimper." The biggest mystery to me is why Faulkner is not used at Centre back. He's a great reader of the game and in my opinion the position is made for him.
I'd say Mattie has been listening to too many opinions.
It's time now when he gets to take in club championship games that he makes up his mind who he wants and where he wants them.
Speaking to one ex player who quit a few years ago the reason given was he wasn't happy with what he was asked to do on the field of play.
Players need to be able to enjoy it and express themselves. That's where success will come from.
After all it's a hobby not a job.
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Replying To Reformation: "I have to say I was a very very disappointed man walking out of the game yesterday. I am at a loss to understand how we threw that game away.
I am not going near the players - i think this loss sits with the management. When Buchanan was taken off, Gearoid came out to midfield but was outnumbered when he tried to catch. This was glaring to all in the stand but yet there were no changes from the line. We need an enforcer at cebtre back also as they were coasting through on some occasions. I don't know where we Cavan football goes from here.
Here are my thoughts in the lead up to next year.
McGleenan needs to closely watch the club championships.
Some younger talents can break through and become important players for us - Galligan, Connolly, O'Reilly.
Game plan - how are we going to play? This should be understood by every player on the panel. Too much confusion in our play.
Kick passing - all of the top teams in Ireland use this to good effect. Time that we started using it to better effect
Clarity on positions - each player should know which position he is being considered for. Far too much confusion in our play - clarity needed.
I could go on....Anyway, thats it for Cavan and 2017. Out with a whimper." You're not going to go near the players, yet you cite kick outs and kick passing as something that wasn't right. If McKiernan wasn't winning kick-outs, why did Galligan persist with kicking the ball to him? Was he hoping that McKiernan would win one kickout in 10?
As for kick passing, management cant make the players kick pass, its up to the players to take full responsibility.
cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 10/07/2017 14:38:09
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Firstly, the manager is 9 months in the job, calling for his head after such a short time is nonsense.
The problem within Cavan Football is club football, its a total shambles and despite the promises of the current chairman when he took office to fix it, he has sat on his backside and done nothing to fix it. Never mind amalgamations, we need competitive club league and championship, and until then, Cavan Football will never be competitive. We need to start with the league first, prioritise the league and make it important - get your best 12 senior teams in Division One and so on. If you play Division One league, you play Senior Championship, if you get relegated from the league, you go down to Intermediate. If you finish top of Division One, you become the league champions. Bottom two teams from each league get relegated, top 2 get promoted. Why not even consider allowing the league champions from Senior, Intermediate & Junior go on to represent the Counties in the Ulster Championship. Lets face it, the championship will be run off over a few weeks, the form teams over those few weeks will win their respective finals, but if Ulster was the top prize for winning the league, perhaps teams would take it more seriously.
P.S Sweeney played for his club in Tipperary last week...when was the last time a Cavan Player played for his club?
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It's hard to believe that out of the top 4 Senior clubs on form in the county that only 4 players out of roughly 60 are good enough for the county Senior Team. 1 from each club.. Murray , Faulkner, Mackey McEnroe .
That's a staggering statistic.
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 10/07/2017 15:25:09
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I was ridiculed when I said we had no hope. Lads pontificating guided by blind faith and misguided belief.
There are no natural forwards on the panel because over the past number of years since we won the first of our u21 titles the teams at all age groups have been playing a system. It's no more than glorified soccer. In fact we have very few natural players in any position.
U21 soon to be u20 is now a closed shop with no open trials to catch developing players. We now pick from previous minor teams To be honest, I've seen nothing at u21 recently to give me any hope either.
We simply don't have the quality in the county !! simple as. It will be a long time before we see an Ulster title.
The players are also wrapped in cotton wool. Other counties play club football between county games. We wrap ours in cotton wool, isolate them from their clubs, over train them and under perform.
Club players are disheartened. Player numbers are down. We see more and more clubs having to amalgamate at u16, Minor and U21 to make teams for competitions. There is more choice there than ever and if young lads are being messed around they'll go elsewhere, and rightly so.
I threatened to do it many times in the past, but I'm taking a break from going to county football as it's sickening to see the half hearted crap thats taking place on the field. I went to the game on Saturday out of loyalty rather than faith or hope. The fiasco trying to get in was bad enough. Then we survived 2 goal scares in the first half, but they made no mistake in the second. A 9 point turn around in about 20 min !
No pride, no heart, no fight, no spirit and no good !!!!!!!!!!
I have better things to be doing with my time than watching this bull.... I've had enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Replying To Inaroundehouse: "It's hard to believe that out of the top 4 Senior clubs on form in the county that only 4 players out of roughly 60 are good enough for the county Senior Team. 1 from each club.. Murray , Faulkner, Mackey McEnroe .
That's a staggering statistic." What about Johnston, you amazingly forgot him. Also many from other clubs were asked in but declined for one reason or another. We've the best players in cavan on the panel that want to be on the panel.
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Replying To fredflint: "What about Johnston, you amazingly forgot him. Also many from other clubs were asked in but declined for one reason or another. We've the best players in cavan on the panel that want to be on the panel." Johnston didn't start last Sunday did he? Yes your correct there plenty of players who don't or didn't want to be on the panel this year. And plenty who didn't want to be on this past few years either. Now I wonder why was that??? Any ideas?
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 10/07/2017 16:23:24
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Well done to Roscommon at the week. They are a team whose development mirrored that of the Cavan team. Luckily for them they had a few scoring forwards in their locker.
kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 10/07/2017 17:35:20
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Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Johnston didn't start last Sunday did he? Yes your correct there plenty of players who don't or didn't want to be on the panel this year. And plenty who didn't want to be on this past few years either. Now I wonder why was that??? Any ideas?" This isn't unique to Cavan
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12216 - 10/07/2017 18:03:25
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Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Johnston didn't start last Sunday did he? Yes your correct there plenty of players who don't or didn't want to be on the panel this year. And plenty who didn't want to be on this past few years either. Now I wonder why was that??? Any ideas?" I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 10/07/2017 21:03:41
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The mods seem to only post the bits they want.
There are certain things that can't be criticised even if they deserve criticism.
This place is getting worse than North Korea.
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 10/07/2017 22:11:57
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Replying To fredflint: "I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again." I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again.
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You are not on your but it did not start this year ?? so let's make this very clear.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 10/07/2017 23:07:05
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Replying To seanorinn: "I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again.
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You are not on your but it did not start this year ?? so let's make this very clear." Replying To fredflint: "I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again."
I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:796 - 10/07/2017 21:03:41 2014481
You are not on your own but it did not start this year ?? so let's make this very clear.
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Replying To cavanblueman: "You're not going to go near the players, yet you cite kick outs and kick passing as something that wasn't right. If McKiernan wasn't winning kick-outs, why did Galligan persist with kicking the ball to him? Was he hoping that McKiernan would win one kickout in 10?
As for kick passing, management cant make the players kick pass, its up to the players to take full responsibility." You're not going to go near the players, yet you cite kick outs and kick passing as something that wasn't right. If McKiernan wasn't winning kick-outs, why did Galligan persist with kicking the ball to him? Was he hoping that McKiernan would win one kickout in 10?
As for kick passing, management cant make the players kick pass, its up to the players to take full responsibility.
cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts:138 - 10/07/2017 14:38:09
Have a look at what you just wrote? Kick out and passing strategy comes from management. Its called a game plan!!!!
Don't bother posting just for the sake of it! I am making suggestions on what I felt was wrong. You echoed my point about midfield getting outnumbered. Was that a midfielders fault or a fault on management not to change things up? These things are premeditated!!
Wakey wakey.
Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 11/07/2017 08:25:06
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Replying To seanorinn: "Replying To fredflint: "I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again."
I gave a few examples of why players wouldn't play. Moderator decided not to post it. Couldn't be bothered writing it again.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:796 - 10/07/2017 21:03:41 2014481
You are not on your own but it did not start this year ?? so let's make this very clear.
seanorinn (Cavan) - Posts:3477 - 10/07/2017 23:07:05 2014602" I never said it started this year. My point is some guys just will not play for anyone. No point pining after them and suggesting that somehow they will play if Mattie just looks at the club championship.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 11/07/2017 09:34:35
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Replying To Reformation: "You're not going to go near the players, yet you cite kick outs and kick passing as something that wasn't right. If McKiernan wasn't winning kick-outs, why did Galligan persist with kicking the ball to him? Was he hoping that McKiernan would win one kickout in 10?
As for kick passing, management cant make the players kick pass, its up to the players to take full responsibility.
cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts:138 - 10/07/2017 14:38:09
Have a look at what you just wrote? Kick out and passing strategy comes from management. Its called a game plan!!!!
Don't bother posting just for the sake of it! I am making suggestions on what I felt was wrong. You echoed my point about midfield getting outnumbered. Was that a midfielders fault or a fault on management not to change things up? These things are premeditated!!
Wakey wakey." Management pick the team and come up with a strategy, players are on the field and how they pass the pass the ball is up to them, not management.
If McKiernan was being outnumbered at midfield, why did Galligan keep kicking the ball out to him? exactly the point I made a few days ago about lack of intelligence on the pitch, a County goalkeeper shouldn't need management telling him where to kick the ball!
cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 11/07/2017 09:44:11
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